trent wrote:Anyone wanna take a guess on how many pages this thread grows to before we see them break ground on construction?
I'm gonna go with 187.
What can I say, I'm optimistic.
227 and counting.
227 and counting.
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There should be another list for cities that procrastinate on projects the most.
We'd be number 1!!!
We'd be number 1!!!
How the people on this forum keep this thread going is amazing. Absolutely no news and there is a new page full every day and a half; incredible.
Just made post # 200, thought I'd share, it only took 3 1/2 years. This seems to be the thread for useless info.
Well, it took 12 days to complete the last page so you might be exaggerating a bit. This is a Cardinal town, so you can imagine there will be a lot of speculation w/ every leak and catharsis when disappointment strikes.ntbpo wrote:
RBB wrote:Bump for stlchiefs, from 48 pages ago:
Arch City wrote:Some recent action by the city.
http://stlcin.missouri.org/Document/ald ... BB4072.pdf
There are two other PDF documents attached within the one linked to above. These are the amended Development Agreements including Centene.
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Thanks. I just finished reading through all 227 pages of this thread to get some background info and pull some articles. Interesting stuff. The predictions and changes in opinions/feelings over time are a funny thing to read.
I was told by a friend that Cordish hired people in St. Louis to work on BPV and then they pulled those people off of BPV to work on P&L in KC.
That said, I still blame Cordish.
That said, I still blame Cordish.
stlchiefs wrote:
I just finished reading through all 227 pages of this thread
ARE YOU NUTS?
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Even a super hero couldn't make those 227 pages load fast enough to make them easily readable. Unless that is his super power.St. Louis Texan wrote:Maybe he is a super hero
Some real news! Looks like another possible tenant at Ballpark Village according to Joe Whittington's column on StlToday. If 150,000 sq. ft. is preleased, what would we expect the total sq. ft. to be built? Maybe 300,000 to 400,000?
TWO ON, ONE OUT? We hear that Stifel Nicolaus & Co. is in lease discussions with the Ballpark Village people to move there from 501 North Broadway.
Snagging the financial company would help ease a little of the pain of Centene bailing out.
"Stifel, combined with Polsinelli, provides Ballpark Village with approximately 150,000 square feet of pre-leasing … not bad," said one commercial real estate insider.
We reported earlier that the St. Louis contingent of the law firm Polsinelli Shalton Flanigan Suelthaus had an agreement to relocate there.
But everybody is still waiting for the developers to yell "play ball."
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Musical chairs? Will they maintain any presence at their current location?
^Agreed. This becomes a wash in terms of luring a large business downtown.
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Definitely a musical chairs situation. Stifel leases 100,000+ sf at One Financial Plaza. The only positive is that it would open up a significant block of space there for new prospective tenants. Downtown could use some new tenants in its existing buildings.
ChrisInDownTown wrote:Will they maintain any presence at their current location?
There wouldn't really be any reason to.
I just hope this doesn't mean we have to "Go Back to the drawing board" .......Again.... I believe it will be built, I really do. Unfortunately it will be about the time when I am telling my grandkids,
"Back in my day BPV was just a mud pit, and we liked it! We used to have to drive around in GAS powered cars! Now you youngsters got your fancy skyscrapers and your high rise condos and your mass transit and your Dan Fogalburg records and your PacMan video games... Don't know how lucky you are!"
"Back in my day BPV was just a mud pit, and we liked it! We used to have to drive around in GAS powered cars! Now you youngsters got your fancy skyscrapers and your high rise condos and your mass transit and your Dan Fogalburg records and your PacMan video games... Don't know how lucky you are!"
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I like the ball park lake idea from the RFT for the meantime. Don't know if you guys have discussed this throughout 200+ threads but here it is.
http://media.riverfronttimes.com/2096123.0.pdf
http://riverfronttimes.com/2008-04-23/n ... damn-hole/
http://media.riverfronttimes.com/2096123.0.pdf
http://riverfronttimes.com/2008-04-23/n ... damn-hole/
Actually, I'd like to see a construction fence go up around the entire site, with pictures of what's to come. That way, at least it would look like something's being built.
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Framer wrote:Actually, I'd like to see a construction fence go up around the entire site, with pictures of what's to come. That way, at least it would look like something's being built.
Yeah, I think there was a plan 30 pages back or so to stage a rally at the site or put a sign in the ground with a picture of BPV that says "coming soon." Just to do something so that there is not "nothing."
But, I like your fence idea. Maybe if they put a fence up, we could make it into a suggestion box. We could write all of our suggestions for what BPV should contain onto posterboards and then wire them to the fence like the coming soon signs typically are. That could be sort of fun and a way to get out our aggression.
Since this project has become a city-wide joke (and it is, my 80 year old grandfather was joking about it yesterday) we might as well start to come up with creative ideas to pass the time.
Maybe someone can fill me in on something.
It's pretty obvious of the state of the city, and the hopes of the people in the city for such a project to go underway - the fact that this thread alone has more than 500k views is evidence enough.
If something is so important, why the hell is there no sign of communication to the public what is going on -- or something so simple as putting a fence a fence around the hole -- or showing care (vs. a half-ass address to public on a personal blog no one goes to)
If I, for example, was working on this project, I would have found a site like urbanstl, and done research to see what people are saying about my project. It would then be evident to me that people are tired and anxious, waiting to hear about a project that can arguable turn around the fate of the city, and want clear communication of exactly what is going on with the city.
We're talking about a CITY here, not some lame private school project (which many are better executed than what the city half ass does). The concept just boggles my mind. Who is in charge of this? Are they that incompetent to display care and concern for the city? Is there just not enough manpower and money exercise well managed projects?
Is st. louis just so far down the road from success and progress that a simple concept of covering an eyesore (or the concept of recognizing an eyesore) can't be seen.
Are leaders of st. louis that blind to reality? Is st. louis just plain and simple incompetent? I just don't understand how it works. In my business, if I don't DO, i get fired. If i don't perform, I get fired. Isn't it the jobs of those in charge of creating such project like ballpark village their JOB? Is it the mindset and work ethics of st. louis as a whole? Has st. louis developed over the century a culture of ignorance, lack of vision, scrutiny, and pessimissm...a culture that is engrained in every facet of life and work?
(im thinking this way, because of a conversation i had with a fellow st. louisan in chicago, who referred to our city with another friend as being from a small town)...hmmmm
Please enlighten.
It's pretty obvious of the state of the city, and the hopes of the people in the city for such a project to go underway - the fact that this thread alone has more than 500k views is evidence enough.
If something is so important, why the hell is there no sign of communication to the public what is going on -- or something so simple as putting a fence a fence around the hole -- or showing care (vs. a half-ass address to public on a personal blog no one goes to)
If I, for example, was working on this project, I would have found a site like urbanstl, and done research to see what people are saying about my project. It would then be evident to me that people are tired and anxious, waiting to hear about a project that can arguable turn around the fate of the city, and want clear communication of exactly what is going on with the city.
We're talking about a CITY here, not some lame private school project (which many are better executed than what the city half ass does). The concept just boggles my mind. Who is in charge of this? Are they that incompetent to display care and concern for the city? Is there just not enough manpower and money exercise well managed projects?
Is st. louis just so far down the road from success and progress that a simple concept of covering an eyesore (or the concept of recognizing an eyesore) can't be seen.
Are leaders of st. louis that blind to reality? Is st. louis just plain and simple incompetent? I just don't understand how it works. In my business, if I don't DO, i get fired. If i don't perform, I get fired. Isn't it the jobs of those in charge of creating such project like ballpark village their JOB? Is it the mindset and work ethics of st. louis as a whole? Has st. louis developed over the century a culture of ignorance, lack of vision, scrutiny, and pessimissm...a culture that is engrained in every facet of life and work?
(im thinking this way, because of a conversation i had with a fellow st. louisan in chicago, who referred to our city with another friend as being from a small town)...hmmmm
Please enlighten.
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^I think we need to remember that the CITY of StL is not the developer of this project (Has never been and will never be), doesn't own the land, and cannot force the private entity that owns the land to do anything with it. (TBD thread anyone?)
Development companies are just like any other industry, there are good and bad ones. For all that is said about Trump, you could be damn sure that if he had a pending project on the table for this city, the site would be fenced, renders of the building(s) would be posted, agressive marketing of the project would be in full swing, etc. That is why he is so good at what he does. Unfortunately, the opposite end of this spectrum also exists, and I personally think that as unfortunate as it is we are currently in the process of seeing a few of these situations in the city right now.
Development companies are just like any other industry, there are good and bad ones. For all that is said about Trump, you could be damn sure that if he had a pending project on the table for this city, the site would be fenced, renders of the building(s) would be posted, agressive marketing of the project would be in full swing, etc. That is why he is so good at what he does. Unfortunately, the opposite end of this spectrum also exists, and I personally think that as unfortunate as it is we are currently in the process of seeing a few of these situations in the city right now.
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phoaddict wrote: why the hell is there no sign of communication to the public what is going on
If I, for example, was working on this project, I would have found a site like urbanstl, and done research to see what people are saying about my project. It would then be evident to me that people are tired and anxious, waiting to hear about a project that can arguable turn around the fate of the city, and want clear communication of exactly what is going on with the city.
Who is in charge of this? Are they that incompetent to display care and concern for the city? Is there just not enough manpower and money exercise well managed projects?
Please enlighten.
I'm surprised that you don't already know this, but the Cardinals are in charge of BPV. They are not developers and I think they might have other things on their mind this summer other than BPV. Why don't you send them a letter to voice your concerns. I suggest proof reading it first.
The City subsidized the stadium because of promises to develop the adjacent land. The public reasonably assumed that said land would be at least in part developed in time for the 2009 All-Star game. Plus the City has fair right to demand upkeep of a property, and the mayor has power of moral suasion to point out that, in return for the tens of millions that the Cardinals got in subsidy for the stadium, they should at least make their vacant lot look nice. (Then again, the Kiel Partners "promised" to reopen the Opera House, and we see how well that's turned out.)
The combined 2008 Salaries of every player on th STL Cardinals comes out to $99,624,449. Pujols alone makes about $14 Mil. Do you think the Cardinal Franchise will have any problems keeping their promise of paying the players? Maybe the players should fork over some cash to get this thing going, seeing as some of them see more money in a year than most of us will make in a lifetime, FOR PLAYING A GAME.... They got the shiny new stadium they demanded. Now cough it up!
Source:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/salaries?team=stl
Source:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/salaries?team=stl