Ballpark Village Towers and Mixed Use Project

innov8ion · PostMar 25, 2008#30762008-03-25T16:04+00:00

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Isn't the use of sources implied? No journalist on the planet is going to name a source, or pretty soon they won't have any.

The point is moot. The sources you mention didn't say the deal was dead as Fox2 news reported. They said, "probably dead." There is a distinction.

And even if their anonymous sources indicated it was dead, it shouldn't be reported as fact until it is official. Until it is fact, it should be conveyed as opinion.

Why argue just for the sake of it? If it's possible to lose my patience, you're testing it.

the central scrutinizer · PostMar 25, 2008#30772008-03-25T16:09+00:00

innov8ion wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Isn't the use of sources implied? No journalist on the planet is going to name a source, or pretty soon they won't have any.
The point is moot. The sources you mention didn't say the deal was dead as Fox2 news reported. They said, "probably dead." There is a distinction.

And even if their anonymous sources indicated it was dead, it shouldn't be reported as fact until it is official. Until it is fact, it should be conveyed as opinion.

If it's possible to lose my patience, you're testing it.

I think you're splitting hairs on this one. And I don't have many left!

magnatron · PostMar 25, 2008#30782008-03-25T18:16+00:00

I think they reported it as officially dead just to get a rise out of this forum...

brickandmortar · PostMar 25, 2008#30792008-03-25T18:30+00:00

Aw crap, does this mean we are back at Denial again

southsidepride · PostMar 25, 2008#30802008-03-25T21:06+00:00

Magnatron wrote:I think they reported it as officially dead just to get a rise out of this forum...

well there is a lack of pages dedicated to discussing this project

publiceye · PostMar 25, 2008#30812008-03-25T21:59+00:00

No journalist on the planet is going to name a source, or pretty soon they won't have any.

Actually, the policy at news organizations is to have more than one source, to name the sources, and to offer a reason why a source's name is being wittheld. That way, readers and viewers are better able to evaluate the likelihood that a report is accurate.

the central scrutinizer · PostMar 25, 2008#30822008-03-25T22:06+00:00

publiceye wrote:
No journalist on the planet is going to name a source, or pretty soon they won't have any.

Actually, the policy at news organizations is to have more than one source, to name the sources, and to offer a reason why a source's name is being wittheld. That way, readers and viewers are better able to evaluate the likelihood that a report is accurate.

Yeah, and hopefully they verified it through multiple sources. But they certainly can't name them in this case, for obvious reasons.

innov8ion · PostMar 26, 2008#30832008-03-26T14:38+00:00

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
publiceye wrote:
No journalist on the planet is going to name a source, or pretty soon they won't have any.

Actually, the policy at news organizations is to have more than one source, to name the sources, and to offer a reason why a source's name is being wittheld. That way, readers and viewers are better able to evaluate the likelihood that a report is accurate.

Yeah, and hopefully they verified it through multiple sources. But they certainly can't name them in this case, for obvious reasons.

My contacts close to the deal indicate this man was the key source for the recent Fox2 news report on Centene/BPV: http://tinyurl.com/2q9j9y

biggyman · PostMar 26, 2008#30842008-03-26T14:46+00:00

KTRS just read a statement on the air that Centene is pulling out

http://www.ktrs.com/index.php?option=co ... 7&Itemid=0

njenney · PostMar 26, 2008#30852008-03-26T14:50+00:00

Biz journal just confirmed as well.

http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlouis/ ... st=b_ln_hl

debaliviere · PostMar 26, 2008#30862008-03-26T14:54+00:00

PATHETIC.

prophett · PostMar 26, 2008#30872008-03-26T14:57+00:00

BPV village is DEAD!!!

steve · PostMar 26, 2008#30882008-03-26T14:58+00:00

"Everyone please be patient. This is a complex project, with many players involved. But rest assured, we are all working dilligently to bring you a fantastic product--something the Cardinals, Cordish, and the City can all be proud of. We are working. This IS moving forward."

Excuse me while I go to the insult forum and vent some anger.

debaliviere · PostMar 26, 2008#30892008-03-26T14:59+00:00

"And we've only had years to develop a plan and come up with financing."

dweebe · PostMar 26, 2008#30902008-03-26T15:14+00:00

Post Dispatch

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/busine ... enDocument

EDIT: can an admin edit the thread title?

goat314 · PostMar 26, 2008#30912008-03-26T15:17+00:00

If they move to sunbelt I'm gonna puke!

chrisindowntown · PostMar 26, 2008#30922008-03-26T15:17+00:00

OPTIMIST...BPV was slated for success long before Centene considered being a part. Not quite back to the drawing board, as much work was complete long before this tangled the web.

PESSIMIST...if this things couldn't proceed with a HUGE tenant commitment by a company looking to move it's HQs there, what faith are we left with?

Leaning towards the latter....

tb1000 · PostMar 26, 2008#30932008-03-26T15:21+00:00

This is utterly embarassing and disappointing. To think that for years the City of St. Louis has battled against high-profile employers not even considering downtown as their location and finally we get an up-and-coming business to not only come downtown but build a nice shiny tower. However, the friggin developer has dragged their feet for WAY too long (and I'll blame them since their other developments have had big issues) and now they are not only leaving downtown, but might possibly leave St. Louis altogether.

Add to the disappointment and embarassment but now all of the urban renaissance naysayers will just laugh and point at this loss of an opportunity and public relations nightmare.

Congrats to those who mucked up this deal.

dweebe · PostMar 26, 2008#30942008-03-26T15:21+00:00

The Cardinals should see if they can wave off the 2009 All-Star Game.

goat314 · PostMar 26, 2008#30952008-03-26T15:22+00:00

^ I just dont understand how Slay and the city leaders let this happen. If I were a city a leader I would have done anything to accommodate a major company downtown. EVEN IF THAT MEANT SCREWING OFF CORSHIT.

billkn · PostMar 26, 2008#30962008-03-26T15:26+00:00

I bet the West County mom's will pay $40 to park their Escalades on the beautiful new surface lot.

Truly a huge disappointment. We need to get our act together.

dweebe · PostMar 26, 2008#30972008-03-26T15:27+00:00

TB1000 wrote:This is utterly embarassing and disappointing. To think that for years the City of St. Louis has battled against high-profile employers not even considering downtown as their location and finally we get an up-and-coming business to not only come downtown but build a nice shiny tower. However, the friggin developer has dragged their feet for WAY too long (and I'll blame them since their other developments have had big issues) and now they are not only leaving downtown, but might possibly leave St. Louis altogether.

Add to the disappointment and embarassment but now all of the urban renaissance naysayers will just laugh and point at this loss of an opportunity and public relations nightmare.

Congrats to those who mucked up this deal.

This could very well cost Slay any chance of getting re-elected.

Another thought: I wonder if other parties f*cked with this just so they could screw with Slay?

timeforguinness · PostMar 26, 2008#30982008-03-26T15:29+00:00

All we need now is for DeWitt to sell the team...and the comparison to Arlington will be complete.

innov8ion · PostMar 26, 2008#30992008-03-26T15:29+00:00

^^ Eh? That idea is absurd. There were clearly substantive issues with the parties that haven't been publicized. Check out jlblues post here for a better idea: http://www.urbanstl.com/viewtopic.php?t ... start=3045

timeforguinness · PostMar 26, 2008#31002008-03-26T15:29+00:00

dweebe wrote:
TB1000 wrote:This is utterly embarassing and disappointing. To think that for years the City of St. Louis has battled against high-profile employers not even considering downtown as their location and finally we get an up-and-coming business to not only come downtown but build a nice shiny tower. However, the friggin developer has dragged their feet for WAY too long (and I'll blame them since their other developments have had big issues) and now they are not only leaving downtown, but might possibly leave St. Louis altogether.

Add to the disappointment and embarassment but now all of the urban renaissance naysayers will just laugh and point at this loss of an opportunity and public relations nightmare.

Congrats to those who mucked up this deal.

This could very well cost Slay any chance of getting re-elected.

Another thought: I wonder if other parties f*cked with this just so they could screw with Slay?

I will still be voting for Slay

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