bonwich wrote:Or, of course, there's always the possiblity that Albert Pujols really wasn't on the steroid-user list.
Gone Corporate wrote:We all have to remember that the City, the Cardinals, Cordish, and Centene all have much to lose if they don’t keep their word. They all risk the loss of Tangible and Intangible Goodwill if Ballpark Village doesn’t get built as planned.
bonwich wrote:Gone Corporate wrote:We all have to remember that the City, the Cardinals, Cordish, and Centene all have much to lose if they don’t keep their word. They all risk the loss of Tangible and Intangible Goodwill if Ballpark Village doesn’t get built as planned.
The same goodwill that the majority of the largest corporations in the area lost when they didn't keep their word on redeveloping Kiel Opera House?
St. Louis and Clayton officials as well as Clayton-based Centene Corp. are denying any knowledge of a decision by the company to pull out of out of a proposed $250 million at Ballpark Village in downtown St. Louis.
A report Monday by KTVI (Channel 2), quoted unnamed sources as saying that Centene was not moving ahead with the project and that the health care management company "dismissed its design team for the Ballpark Village project last November telling them ‘not to bother.’ "
St. Louis city leaders and company officials announced in September that the company would relocate its headquarters to the retailing and entertainment district near Busch Stadium.
Few details have been forthcoming about Centene’s plan or the overall development since then and speculation has been growing that Centene would pull out. Indeed, two weeks ago, St. Louis city officials said Centene's fate would be decided in about two weeks.
In an e-mail statement, Ken Fields, spokesman for Centene, said negotiations are ongoing.
"Centene has been working closely with representatives of Ballpark Village to finalize details for a new corporate headquarters. At this point, there’s nothing new to report," Fields said.
Catherine Powers, director of planning and development services for Clayton, said she didn’t know about any change in Centene’s plans and neither did Barbara Geisman, St. Louis’ deputy mayor for development.
"I don’t know where that (the TV report) is coming from," Geisman said. "As far as we know nothing has changed."
But Clayton Mayor Linda Goldstein lamented that the Centene move to Ballpark Village could be failing.
"Ballpark Village is important to the city of St. Louis and important to the entire region," Goldstein said. "I'm hoping things work out for the city of St. Louis for Ballpark Village. I feel badly for the city and for Francis Slay."
By Riddhi Trivedi St. Clair
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
03/24/2008
St. Louis and Clayton officials as well as Clayton-based Centene Corp. are denying any knowledge of a decision by the company to pull out of out of a proposed $250 million at Ballpark Village in downtown St. Louis.
A report Monday by KTVI (Channel 2), quoted unnamed sources as saying that Centene was not moving ahead with the project and that the health care management company "dismissed its design team for the Ballpark Village project last November telling them ‘not to bother.’ "
St. Louis city leaders and company officials announced in September that the company would relocate its headquarters to the retailing and entertainment district near Busch Stadium.
Few details have been forthcoming about Centene’s plan or the overall development since then and speculation has been growing that Centene would pull out. Indeed, two weeks ago, St. Louis city officials said Centene's fate would be decided in about two weeks.
In an e-mail statement, Ken Fields, spokesman for Centene, said negotiations are ongoing.
"Centene has been working closely with representatives of Ballpark Village to finalize details for a new corporate headquarters. At this point, there’s nothing new to report," Fields said. Advertisement
Catherine Powers, director of planning and development services for Clayton, said she didn’t know about any change in Centene’s plans and neither did Barbara Geisman, St. Louis’ deputy mayor for development.
"I don’t know where that (the TV report) is coming from," Geisman said. "As far as we know nothing has changed."
But Clayton Mayor Linda Goldstein lamented that the Centene move to Ballpark Village could be failing.
"Ballpark Village is important to the city of St. Louis and important to the entire region," Goldstein said. "I'm hoping things work out for the city of St. Louis for Ballpark Village. I feel badly for the city and for Francis Slay."
bonwich wrote:MattnSTL wrote:Somebody in the city really needs to be pushing this issue. Centene can not be lost, at least downtown. I could care less if they end up in BPV as long as they are downtown. Even though Centene was the most exciting part of BPV...
Of course they can. The most important point in the whole negotiation is whether Centene stays in St. Louis -- which includes Clayton or even, God forbid (and I'm not suggesting they've even thought of this) Winghaven.
Here's a radical thought: Maybe the marketplace is saying that Ballpark Village shoudn't happen
KTVI-myFOXstl.com -- The Centene Corporation denies the FOX 2 report that its deal to move to Ballpark Village is dead. But Charles Jaco says our sources, who are close to this project, still tell us they've heard from government officials that the deal is probably dead. Monday, Centene issued a statement saying there's nothing new to report and that talks are still continuing to move Centene headquarters to Ballpark Village from Clayton. But there may be only a week left to revive the move.
metzgda wrote:This is on Fox 2's website:
KTVI-myFOXstl.com -- The Centene Corporation denies the FOX 2 report that its deal to move to Ballpark Village is dead. But Charles Jaco says our sources, who are close to this project, still tell us they've heard from government officials that the deal is probably dead. Monday, Centene issued a statement saying there's nothing new to report and that talks are still continuing to move Centene headquarters to Ballpark Village from Clayton. But there may be only a week left to revive the move.
I underlined probably because this means they posted the news story without definate facts. Wow.
innov8ion wrote:^ The burden of proof would be in providing a respected source or sources. Otherwise, it's just conjecture and should be passed off as opinion instead of fact. Again, a lack of journalistic integrity. That and learn how to spell Centene. Is the St. Louis market so small that media professionalism is hard to come by at Fox2?
Here's the offending article: http://tinyurl.com/2ry854
innov8ion wrote:^ The burden of proof would be in providing a respected source or sources. Otherwise, it's just conjecture and should be passed off as opinion instead of fact. Again, a lack of journalistic integrity. That and learn how to spell Centene. Is the St. Louis market so small that media professionalism is hard to come by at Fox2?
Here's the offending article: http://tinyurl.com/2ry854
I'm not assuming they're wrong. It's just journalistically improper to base something as fact without naming a source. It makes Fox2 look stupid when Centene says the deal is still in negotiations. Clearly the BPV deal is troubled, yet Fox is confusing editorial/opinion with real news. This concept can't be that difficult to wrap one's head around so let's not go in circles, eh.The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Do we know that their source isn't respected? To assume that they are wrong sounds like conjecture to me.
stlbluejay wrote:innov8ion wrote:^ The burden of proof would be in providing a respected source or sources. Otherwise, it's just conjecture and should be passed off as opinion instead of fact. Again, a lack of journalistic integrity. That and learn how to spell Centene. Is the St. Louis market so small that media professionalism is hard to come by at Fox2?
Here's the offending article: http://tinyurl.com/2ry854
I agree. The author needs to at least state something like this: according to sources (at Centene or Cordish or the City) that wish to remain anonymous....the project has been canceled.
Otherwise, it is unclear whether the author actually learned this info(explicitly) from a source or merely inferred it from other information (i.e., that the Centene designer was ordered to refrain working on it).
But Charles Jaco says our sources, who are close to this project, still tell us they've heard from government officials that the deal is probably dead.
innov8ion wrote:I'm not assuming they're wrong. It's just journalistically improper to base something as fact without naming a source. It makes Fox2 look stupid when Centene says the deal is still in negotiations. Clearly the BPV deal is troubled, yet Fox is confusing editorial/opinion with real news. This concept can't be that difficult to wrap one's head around so let's not go in circles, eh.The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Do we know that their source isn't respected? To assume that they are wrong sounds like conjecture to me.
innov8ion wrote:You can borrow the key if you'd like, but your tax is to make an extra for me.
Which sure as hell contrasts with their initial claim: "FOX 2 News has learned Centene Corporation won't be moving into the new Ballpark Village after all."The Central Scrutinizer wrote:But Charles Jaco says our sources, who are close to this project, still tell us they've heard from government officials that the deal is probably dead.
Yet they provided evidence, didn't they? Or they said, "alleged affair" until the evidence was brought forth. Again, journalism ethics.The Central Scrutinizer wrote:To continue the circle... Reporters said Clinton had an affair, but did not name their sources. Clinton denied it.
Substitute Centene for Clinton, and you get the point!
innov8ion wrote:Which sure as hell contrasts with their quote "FOX 2 News has learned Centene Corporation won't be moving into the new Ballpark Village after all."The Central Scrutinizer wrote:But Charles Jaco says our sources, who are close to this project, still tell us they've heard from government officials that the deal is probably dead.
