I just thought of this recently... How would anyone get any work done with a game going on out of their office window? I can understand the residences, but I'm not quite sure I understand the demand to overlap the work day with baseball games. Wouldn't it make sense to put business towers just a little further away and not necessarily where one could see the game from the window?
How does anyone get work done at a brewery? I have no clue, and yet A-B is strangely productive. It can be done.
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stlmike wrote:I just thought of this recently... How would anyone get any work done with a game going on out of their office window? I can understand the residences, but I'm not quite sure I understand the demand to overlap the work day with baseball games. Wouldn't it make sense to put business towers just a little further away and not necessarily where one could see the game from the window?
How many day games are there in a season? Probably not enough to be a concern for the Mon. - Fri. office business.
^Yeah, but it's not about whether or not it's a concern. I'm sure people wouldn't mind it or could ignore it. The question is whether or not proximity to the ballpark is causing demand for businesses in the way it causes demand for residences. I just thought I would push on this assumption a little.
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Even if they lose a little productivity on the day games, they are more than going to make it up on the night games.
Game starts at 7, no use going home. Work until 6:15. Go to street level, grab a bite to eat. Watch game. Go home.
I would love that kind of schedule during the summer.
Game starts at 7, no use going home. Work until 6:15. Go to street level, grab a bite to eat. Watch game. Go home.
I would love that kind of schedule during the summer.
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stlmike wrote:^Yeah, but it's not about whether or not it's a concern. I'm sure people wouldn't mind it or could ignore it. The question is whether or not proximity to the ballpark is causing demand for businesses in the way it causes demand for residences. I just thought I would push on this assumption a little.
Good question, but how can I get anything done with the internet, radio, tv, etc., etc. around? I think a person gets used to the environment. I like the brewery analolgy!
^No, but still, you haven't answered it.
I am asking why being next to a ballpark an incentive in choosing an office location. So far everyone is pointing out why it is arguably on a level playing field with any other site. That's fine, except that the office market downtown is not excelling the way we want it to and Ballpark Village is often touted as a solution to some of these problems because "everyone wants to be near the ballpark." I can see why someone would want to live near a ballpark but I don't see why a business executive is going to consider proximity to a ballpark an incentive in choosing a location for offices.
I am asking why being next to a ballpark an incentive in choosing an office location. So far everyone is pointing out why it is arguably on a level playing field with any other site. That's fine, except that the office market downtown is not excelling the way we want it to and Ballpark Village is often touted as a solution to some of these problems because "everyone wants to be near the ballpark." I can see why someone would want to live near a ballpark but I don't see why a business executive is going to consider proximity to a ballpark an incentive in choosing a location for offices.
stlmike wrote:^No, but still, you haven't answered it.
I am asking why being next to a ballpark an incentive in choosing an office location. So far everyone is pointing out why it is arguably on a level playing field with any other site. That's fine, except that the office market downtown is not excelling the way we want it to and Ballpark Village is often touted as a solution to some of these problems because "everyone wants to be near the ballpark." I can see why someone would want to live near a ballpark but I don't see why a business executive is going to consider proximity to a ballpark an incentive in choosing a location for offices.
For one, Visibility. Put a sign on the outside of your building and get free regional (and sometimes national) television advertising 80-90 times a year.
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Apparently Ballpark Village does have appeal. According to the Business Journal, Centene Corp. has narrowed it's search to 5 sites. 2 sites are in the county, 2 are out of state, and the 1 site in the city is supposedly BallPark Village. From the article...
Remember, they need 400-500,000 sq.ft. of office space. That would mean a 30+ story tower.
Ballpark Village, the $387 million mixed-use project to be built immediately north of Busch Stadium downtown, is among the top sites under consideration, according to sources close to the company's search efforts.
Remember, they need 400-500,000 sq.ft. of office space. That would mean a 30+ story tower.
That's good to see. I was hoping they would consider it. Maybe Clayton's loss will be our gain after all.
^ Come on City leaders, step up to the plate here and get it done...
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Please make this happen. It would be incredible for downtown.
One in Five chance. Not so good. However, they would be stupid not to do it. I also made the point that RBB just made: FREE F-ING advertising every time there is a home game. The tower would be incredibly visible from the stadium and would become a landmark because of it. The Centene Tower would become a fixture of cardinal baseball and nationally recognized as a symbol of St. Louis. All they have to do is choose Ballpark village to build a structure they are already planning on building, that and they won't have to relocate employees out of state. DUH.
Oh, how effing sweet this would be. Not holding my breath, though.
To more directly answer stlmike's question: in my opinion, a biz would want to be near the ballpark as a sort of fringe benefit, if you will, to their employees. They'd be near the excitement of the stadium on gamedays, and who can deny the shear childlike joy baseball brings--brings a smile to my face anyway. I think it's just one of those things that an employer can tout to its employees, both potential and current, clients, investors, etc., that "hey, we're a dynamic company; we work hard, but we know how to have a good time too."
Could be wrong, but that's how I look at it.
To more directly answer stlmike's question: in my opinion, a biz would want to be near the ballpark as a sort of fringe benefit, if you will, to their employees. They'd be near the excitement of the stadium on gamedays, and who can deny the shear childlike joy baseball brings--brings a smile to my face anyway. I think it's just one of those things that an employer can tout to its employees, both potential and current, clients, investors, etc., that "hey, we're a dynamic company; we work hard, but we know how to have a good time too."
Could be wrong, but that's how I look at it.
JMedwick wrote:^ Come on City leaders, step up to the plate here and get it done...
"Now batting for the City of St. Louis, Mayor Francis Slay"
Mr. Mayor, your plate appearance has been announced .......now get up there and hit a HOME RUN!!!!!
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steve wrote:Oh, how effing sweet this would be. Not holding my breath, though.
To more directly answer stlmike's question: in my opinion, a biz would want to be near the ballpark as a sort of fringe benefit, if you will, to their employees. They'd be near the excitement of the stadium on gamedays, and who can deny the shear childlike joy baseball brings--brings a smile to my face anyway. I think it's just one of those things that an employer can tout to its employees, both potential and current, clients, investors, etc., that "hey, we're a dynamic company; we work hard, but we know how to have a good time too."
Could be wrong, but that's how I look at it.
It's also conveniently located, close to all the major highways, and has amenities that suburban locations just can't match - dining and entertainment, hotels, etc.
I hope that the involvement of the Cardinals/Cordish in the sales pitch along with city officials, it will be enough to put it over the top.
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I just get more and more annoyed every time I check this thread and there's no real news! (Sorry for contributing to the problem 
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This is freaking REAL news!
The city has been courting Centene for a while. Ever since the Clayton deal was even in question. They have a HUGE leg up on any other cities in regards to the relocation factor. They better go balls to the wall to get this done.
The city has been courting Centene for a while. Ever since the Clayton deal was even in question. They have a HUGE leg up on any other cities in regards to the relocation factor. They better go balls to the wall to get this done.
Grover wrote:I just get more and more annoyed every time I check this thread and there's no real news! (Sorry for contributing to the problem
To me this is great news, even if it doesn't go through. The fact that a disgruntled local employer started seeking positions outside of Clayton, basically resigned to the fact they wanted a campus-like office complex, and now has narrowed it down to a possible high-rise development, I think that shows the downtown market has some significant positive offerings.
I'd say 50/50 if Centene plunges for downtown. If they do however, we will be getting something very close to what Cordish originally proposed.
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OK - OK, so how much space will Centene need if they move downtown? 20 stories of their own, more?
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Its plans called for a new building to have between 400,000 and 600,000 square feet of space, with room for expansion.
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^ Roughly how many stories would that be in one of the BPV towers?
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well to put it into perspective, the eagleton federal building downtown has 1,000,000 sf of total space in the building.It has 28 floors, but they are taller than any other building would have, so we'll go with about 40. So if Centene goes for 500 plus room to expand (take it up to 750 as a good number), we would be roughly looking at around a 30 story building just for themselves. that would put us at anywhere from 300-500 feet tall, depending on the level plans, architectural components, width of the building, and overall design. Of course, they could also make a skinny 800 foot tall building, but I'm going with what most is most often built. 30-ish stories.
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It seems to me that the bpv towers would be skinnier than eagleton or MS. Any truth in that?