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bonwich wrote:The news is: There's no news. And that's big news, because it's prime construction season.



Ahhh, but this is a "very complicated project." We must simply be patient and trust. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

There's a lot of good, dry weather (ideal for construction) passing them by.



I smell a rat.

That empty prime real estate isn't earning these investment geniuses one dime while it sits there empty. I can't believe they didn't have the plan ready to go as soon as the old stadium came down. We've only been looking at the plans for 5 years or more.



They don't want the public to think it is another Kiel Opera House deception, but they are not giving us much to work with. Like all the other people who attend the baseball sellouts, I eat in the suburbs, go down for the game, and then go back to the suburbs after the game to spend money. Ballpark Village tenants haven't pocketted a nickel from me in these two wasted years.

dweebe wrote:

bonwich wrote:The news is: There's no news. And that's big news, because it's prime construction season.



Ahhh, but this is a "very complicated project." We must simply be patient and trust. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

There's a lot of good, dry weather (ideal for construction) passing them by.



I smell a rat.

Conspiracy theory: Cardinals ownership is sitting on their money in anticipation of having to make a major investment in overhauling the team next year.

TGE-ATW wrote:

dweebe wrote:

bonwich wrote:The news is: There's no news. And that's big news, because it's prime construction season.



Ahhh, but this is a "very complicated project." We must simply be patient and trust. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

There's a lot of good, dry weather (ideal for construction) passing them by.



I smell a rat.

Conspiracy theory: Cardinals ownership is sitting on their money in anticipation of having to make a major investment in overhauling the team next year.

Yeah. Who wants to pay a premium for a condo balcony overlooking the ballpark to watch a bunch of losers. Oh wait, the Cubs fans.

TGE-ATW wrote:

dweebe wrote:

bonwich wrote:The news is: There's no news. And that's big news, because it's prime construction season.



Ahhh, but this is a "very complicated project." We must simply be patient and trust. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

There's a lot of good, dry weather (ideal for construction) passing them by.



I smell a rat.

Conspiracy theory: Cardinals ownership is sitting on their money in anticipation of having to make a major investment in overhauling the team next year.

...or selling the team to someone else.



Does anyone know that if the Cardinals are sold, will the new owner be "on the hook" for building the Ballpark Village?

STLCardinals LLC is probably on the hook regardless of ownership.

Gary Kreie wrote:That empty prime real estate isn't earning these investment geniuses one dime while it sits there empty. I can't believe they didn't have the plan ready to go as soon as the old stadium came down. We've only been looking at the plans for 5 years or more.



They don't want the public to think it is another Kiel Opera House deception, but they are not giving us much to work with. Like all the other people who attend the baseball sellouts, I eat in the suburbs, go down for the game, and then go back to the suburbs after the game to spend money. Ballpark Village tenants haven't pocketted a nickel from me in these two wasted years.

June 1, 2005 - Cordish Co. won the "competition" for redeveloper of the old Busch Stadium site. They obviously invested a great deal of time and money into research, preparing a concept and plans, and having preliminary discussions with potential tenants prior to that.



June 19, 2001 - Agreement between the Cardinals, St. Louis City, St. Louis County, and the State of Missouri signed for $646M Ballpark and Ballpark Village



IIRC, the original renderings of Ballpark Village were released in 2000, but I can't seem to find the exact date. The concept and renderings for BPV have not changed significantly since their original release.



So, for all intents and purposes, the Cardinals and Cordish have had two years to finalize the plans, get the financing in place, and get letters of intent signed, and they have not even selected a GC yet. The Cardinals had four years prior to that to negotiate the financing details for BPV and to select a developer.



On the positive side, the major announcements for BPV all seem to come in June, so maybe we can expect something by the end of next week...

Anyone wanna take a guess on how many pages this thread grows to before we see them break ground on construction?



I'm gonna go with 187.



What can I say, I'm optimistic.

The information/update concerning this project is ridiculous. I saw Bill Dewitt and his wife walking their dog yesterday in front of their Clayton condo, I was tempted to stop the car and ask him about the BPV delay.

it took 25 months to get to this page... 187 sounds about right....



but my guess will be 125

But what are we gonna talk about for 75 more pages? There's only so much you can discuss about a dirt pit.

We could talk about all the pretty rocks.

or the wonderful foliage growing out there now. "Botanical Garden East" possibly...

I Love Lamp.

There's a small mosquito breeding pond on this property. All they need is for some kid to drown.

I'll volunteer the kid who lives next door to me ......

Speaking of golf clubs, why not turn the hole into a downtown golf course. It might bring tiger Woods into town for a baseball game

Magnatron wrote:But what are we gonna talk about for 75 more pages? There's only so much you can discuss about a dirt pit.

What have we talked about for the last 75 pages?

I say we contact http://www.madhousers.org and have them install their shelters in Ballpark Village. Perhaps they can work with Rice to make his dreams of a refugee camp downtown come to fruition.

^Actually, I would recommend this for the Bottle District. When people lose their shirts at the casino, they will be able to ride the people mover directly over to the shelter.

OK. I think I get it now! Content doesn't mean anything on this web site. The NUMBER of posts is what's important and when the Moderator seems to not only condone it, but also support it, why wouldn't we come to that conclusion? I guess I'm supposed to have "Numeral Envy." Somehow it's just not happening.

Ya this forum is kinda like myspace. Content really doesnt matter because your popularity depends on the number of comments you get.