bsharmastl wrote:So.... what is the vacancy pertaining to "existng" office space DT?
~21%-25%
bsharmastl wrote:So.... what is the vacancy pertaining to "existng" office space DT?
bpe235 wrote:^ Personally I would like to see more residential. To the tune of at least 500 units or so, with a good mix of office mixed in. After all this is a mixed use development. The office is crucial to attract new businesses (rumors of corps not being able to find large chunks of continuous space) and keep 7-6 activity high, where as the residential will help to support the retail outlets and provide some life afterhours and on the weekend...
By Bill Beggs Jr.
Adding fireworks to the positive Oct. 27th announcement about the $400 million-plus Phase I of Ballpark Village, that very Friday night the St. Louis Cardinals won their first World Series title in 24 years.
Go crazy folks!
Over the past 10 months, the RCGA has been working with The Cordish Co. (the nation’s largest developer of entertainment districts and concepts) and the City of St. Louis to bring Ballpark Village to fruition. Pending approval of a formal development agreement and the concurrence of additional local and state authorities, Phase I construction could begin next spring, with anticipated completion in spring 2009.
Officials project Ballpark Village to not only bring millions more destination visitors to the region, but also generate tens of millions of dollars of new annual tax revenues in expanded private investment and new jobs. According to the economic impact analysis by Bryan Bezold, the RCGA’s chief economist, Phase I will provide $273 million in annual economic benefit. Meanwhile, Phase I construction will generate a further economic impact of $724 million.
From an employment standpoint, the first phase will have a total impact of 3,040 permanent jobs, with another 3,000 construction jobs throughout the course of development. Projected net benefit to the City alone is $291 million, with $142 million to the St. Louis Public Schools.
When Phase I is complete, Bezold projects that:
- Ballpark Village businesses will employ 1,969 people
- Those jobs will support another 1,070 jobs regionally
- Annual economic impact will be approximately $273 million
Cordish estimates that direct benefits to the City of Phase I will include:
- Additional $291 million in new tax revenue over the next 40 years
- Additional $142 million in new tax revenue for St. Louis Public Schools
After construction, ongoing commercial operations will also have significant impact: Phase I construction will support approximately 1,600 jobs; those will support 1,400 jobs elsewhere, for a total employment impact of some 3,000 jobs.
bsharmastl wrote:OK... So, assuming a vacancy of 16%, can we really support a high rise commercial only building in the BPV?
I am NOT knowledgeable about the movement in Commercial markets, so am trying to gain a little knowledge here.
southslider wrote:The Cardinals' offices are currently in the Deloitte (fka MCI) building on S. 4th St. Anyway, I would definitely cheer on newer office buildings, if it meant older ones from the really old 705 Olive to becoming old 1 South Memorial going residential.
But most strongly, I want to see the area south of Market Street diversify from just the inward-looking office buildings and hotel complexes presently near the new stadium. Pointe 400 and Cupples Ballpark Lofts are a start, but a mixture of all activities (office, retail, entertainment and residential) will provide livelier streets day and night.
Framer wrote:I think it's a good sign that the Village developers say they are receiving strong interest in the office space. No reason they can't build big residential towers and big office towers. The more the merrier!
Framer wrote:I think it's a good sign that the Village developers say they are receiving strong interest in the office space. No reason they can't build big residential towers and big office towers. The more the merrier!
Matt wrote:Every so often, there's talk about sustainability of the DT housing market. There is a huge cohort of baby boomers and a generally aging population that would seem to feed and support demand for residential in DT for the next 25 years.
Gary Kreie wrote:What would it take to make it possible for the Boomers to live downtown without a car?
Gary Kreie wrote:
I have an uncle who has been living in New York for the last 50 years without a car. He is in his 80s now and still goes everywhere. What would it take to make it possible for the Boomers to live downtown without a car?
In New York they have cabs everywhere. I was trying to think of some way that the city could subsidize cab service among any venues downtown and the Grand Center. Cheap or free taxi travel among downtown venues would really make downtown attractive to Boomers, not to mention tourists. Maybe taxing hotel rooms more to pay for it? Or tax taxis that enter the city to get businessmen on travel accounts? Or airport users?
I don't know if taxis will take you betwen 2 places both downtown now, since the fare would be low. But if the city put the cabs on salary, or something, cheap taxis could be a way to attract boomers to live downtown without a car.

