Ballpark Village Towers and Mixed Use Project

toastedravioli · PostOct 19, 2006#10012006-10-19T06:28+00:00

1. This thing is ugly, whether you like modern or historic architecture. It is plain ugly and non-inviting.

2. This is clearly a joke. The quotes in the article are too outrageous and provocative to be real (As though the Serra scuplture comment didn't give it away).

3. This has much less marketability than previous plans and the Cardinals would not want something like this that clashes with the baseball croud.

4. The Cordish plan is still in place... how does this fit in? ... It doesn't.

markofucity · PostOct 19, 2006#10022006-10-19T13:32+00:00

I'll go on the record. If St. Louis does this it will be a huge mistake. We need density. Residents. Community. Street life. This new design seems to have none of that .....

debaliviere · PostOct 19, 2006#10032006-10-19T13:45+00:00

I'll go on the record as well. The RFT should not try to out-Onion The Onion.

brickandmortar · PostOct 19, 2006#10042006-10-19T14:32+00:00

Wasn't ballparkvillage.com registered to some guy in Soulard? I remember seeing a website for it that had only some kids drawing of the new stadium and planes attacking it.

Regardless, I don't think the RFT is in the business of scooping news stories so I'll go on the record to agree w/ DeBaliviere.

MattnSTL · PostOct 19, 2006#10052006-10-19T15:06+00:00

^Yes it did have that funny drawing. They probably just bought it of him or he let it expire by accident.

ynot · PostOct 20, 2006#10062006-10-20T05:04+00:00

if you click on the link, RFT confirms that they were just kidding... apparently some legal "Advice" was given to them.

jeff vanderlou · PostOct 20, 2006#10072006-10-20T17:33+00:00

A cursory look at the Business Journal this morning shows an article describing how the city, Cordish, and the Cardinal owners are still pretty far apart in getting this BPV thing worked out.

Whatever the outcome, I'd hate to see Historic Renovations, McCormac-Barron, or even Pyramid as the developers, This would indicate the project had become some kind of federally-funded boondogle involving section eight or "workdforce" housingl; more of which the city does Not need.

If this project ever really does fly, it ought to be first-class right down the line. Nothing less than the best in design, quality, materials -- and targeted income level.

My gut feeling, though, is that it won't happen, and the project will end up being another King Louis square with a sports bar thrown in. I hope they prove me wrong.

soulardd · PostOct 20, 2006#10082006-10-20T18:08+00:00

Jeff Vanderlou wrote:A cursory look at the Business Journal this morning shows an article describing how the city, Cordish, and the Cardinal owners are still pretty far apart in getting this BPV thing worked out.

Whatever the outcome, I'd hate to see Historic Renovations, McCormac-Barron, or even Pyramid as the developers, This would indicate the project had become some kind of federally-funded boondogle involving section eight or "workdforce" housingl; more of which the city does Not need.

If this project ever really does fly, it ought to be first-class right down the line. Nothing less than the best in design, quality, materials -- and targeted income level.

My gut feeling, though, is that it won't happen, and the project will end up being another King Louis square with a sports bar thrown in. I hope they prove me wrong.

Thanks for the unbridled St. Louis negativity. More of which the city does NOT need.

markofucity · PostOct 20, 2006#10092006-10-20T18:44+00:00

seriosly? Thats your gut feeling? I'd actually be shocked if this didn't happen. Actually - if it falls through - I see it falling through because the public comes out against any tax abatement ... but I definately see them presenting the project for financing ...

what are they apart on ....

jeff vanderlou · PostOct 20, 2006#10102006-10-20T19:28+00:00

markofucity wrote:seriosly? Thats your gut feeling? I'd actually be shocked if this didn't happen. Actually - if it falls through - I see it falling through because the public comes out against any tax abatement ... but I definately see them presenting the project for financing ...

what are they apart on ....

Check it out in today's B.J. I am being a bit pessimistic though. I've lived here too long not to be.

markofucity · PostOct 20, 2006#10112006-10-20T19:35+00:00

I only have access to the online BJ - and I don;t think the article you're referrign to has been postedyet ....

stlmike · PostOct 20, 2006#10122006-10-20T20:01+00:00

An online BJ, eh?

markofucity · PostOct 20, 2006#10132006-10-20T20:23+00:00

yeah i noticed that too as soon as I posted it

bastiat · PostOct 20, 2006#10142006-10-20T22:14+00:00

markofucity wrote:seriosly? Thats your gut feeling? I'd actually be shocked if this didn't happen. Actually - if it falls through - I see it falling through because the public comes out against any tax abatement ... but I definately see them presenting the project for financing ...

what are they apart on ....

If they can't give a tax cut for this thing to get built, I'm moving out of St. Louis...

matguy70 · PostOct 21, 2006#10152006-10-21T02:46+00:00

It will be built...

It will be done correctly or something next to best...

Believe me. This is not just St. Louis ... it is St. Louis Sports and St. Louis Cardinals. It is just another brew ha ha ... just like the entire new stadium was for a couple years.

framer · PostOct 22, 2006#10162006-10-22T04:33+00:00

It'll get done. I just hope we don't have to wait forever.

steve · PostOct 25, 2006#10172006-10-25T13:16+00:00

Did anyone see Fox news on Sunday night? Jako did a story about the financing package for BPV, and he said the plans are going to be scaled back. Only one of the three towers are going to be built as part of the "first phase." Not only would they get a TIF, but they would be a "transportation district" and get some money from the state as well. Most of the financing is in place, but the city, Cordish, and the Cardinals still have to figure out how to finance the remaining $15 million. It was kind of a depressing story.

It did end with the statement that Cordish was committed to building it as planned, but when it would complete it is unclear.

urban elitist · PostOct 25, 2006#10182006-10-25T13:32+00:00

^ I was under the impression that "phase one" has always only included one tower? When did phase one ever incluse all three towers? If that's the only thing that got "scaled back" then I think we are ok.

2taall · PostOct 25, 2006#10192006-10-25T14:49+00:00

It sounds like a bait and switch tactic by the Cardinals and Cordish.

Get the public interested with the awesome renderings. As the money starts coming in for what we thought was going to be buit(the orignal renderings) quickly scale the plans back to meet the mininum requirements. Keep the money.

These dirty bastards are about as good as a crooked used car salesman.

the central scrutinizer · PostOct 25, 2006#10202006-10-25T14:59+00:00

2taall wrote:It sounds like a bait and switch tactic by the Cardinals and Cordish.

Get the public interested with the awesome renderings. As the money starts coming in for what we thought was going to be buit(the orignal renderings) quickly scale the plans back to meet the mininum requirements. Keep the money.

These dirty bastards are about as good as a crooked used car salesman.

Keep what money?

steve · PostOct 25, 2006#10212006-10-25T15:01+00:00

Urban Elitist wrote:^ I was under the impression that "phase one" has always only included one tower? When did phase one ever incluse all three towers? If that's the only thing that got "scaled back" then I think we are ok.

I'm not sure about that. The story just gave me the impression that the two towers were not likely to ever be built. The figure that the story mentioned was lower than the $600-some odd million figure proposed earlier. I forgot what it was. Anyway, they can't even get the full funding for the lower figure, squabbling over $15 mil.

I don't know. Despite the assurances by Cordish that it will proceed as originally planned, it seems that this thing won't be nearly as nice as the renderings.

urban elitist · PostOct 25, 2006#10222006-10-25T15:03+00:00

2taall wrote:It sounds like a bait and switch tactic by the Cardinals and Cordish.

Get the public interested with the awesome renderings. As the money starts coming in for what we thought was going to be buit(the orignal renderings) quickly scale the plans back to meet the mininum requirements. Keep the money.

These dirty bastards are about as good as a crooked used car salesman.

I don't think that's what is happening at all. It actually sounds like things are moving forward according to plan. The minimum requirements are $60mil(I guarentee you they aren't scalling back to that or there wouldn'r even be one highrise). Also the monies they are recieving are TIFs dependent on tax revenue generated by the village, so scaling back gains them nothing. Lets stick to facts in this thread. Not baseless speculation or verbal attacks on the cardinals owners.

If you're gonna post, do some research on the situation.

steve · PostOct 25, 2006#10232006-10-25T15:04+00:00

Hey, babe, I'm with you. I want to see the renderings come to life. I'm just saying that the FACTS reported by the NEWS suggest that it may not proceed as planned.

urban elitist · PostOct 25, 2006#10242006-10-25T15:07+00:00

steve wrote:
Urban Elitist wrote:^ I was under the impression that "phase one" has always only included one tower? When did phase one ever incluse all three towers? If that's the only thing that got "scaled back" then I think we are ok.

I'm not sure about that. The story just gave me the impression that the two towers were not likely to ever be built. The figure that the story mentioned was lower than the $600-some odd million figure proposed earlier. I forgot what it was. Anyway, they can't even get the full funding for the lower figure, squabbling over $15 mil.

I don't know. Despite the assurances by Cordish that it will proceed as originally planned, it seems that this thing won't be nearly as nice as the renderings.

interesting. I really am looking forward to seeing how this plays out.

PostOct 25, 2006#10252006-10-25T15:08+00:00

steve wrote:Hey, babe, I'm with you. I want to see the renderings come to life. I'm just saying that the FACTS reported by the NEWS suggest that it may not proceed as planned.

I wansn't focusing on you with my post, you obviously have read up on current BPV events.

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