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Basically, we have one of the best, second best CBD's in the country.

moorlander wrote:Atlanta has Buckhead however it is still in the city proper.

Not on your list but Seattle has Bellevue.

And Chicago has Evanston.

roger wyoming II wrote:In terms of benefits to the city from a land use/livability perspective would BPV or 22nd Interchange be a better location for a multi-block mixed-use development? I could see how 22nd St. would be logical for Wells Fargo because of proximity, but for a large company or two new to downtown, would it be better to build in one area over the other?

Would love to see this play out

- BPV announces new residential tower soon as well as new hotel tower for Westin along Clark Street as part of next phase

- Cupples/Koman announces new Cupples office space with a mix of new infill/refurbishing previous Westin Hotel space for Kellwood and speculation on other tenants. Maybe a mid story residential infill for the failure to save Cupples Seven.

- VR puts residential over its proposed Muni Courts building parking garage/development as well as infill on City hall surface lot. What is up with Muni Courts development, they announce financing in place but don't believe any movement? Assumed Tilted Kilts or whatever the latest Hooters version is called would land there.

- Wells Fargo Securities/McKee announce the bookend office tower by end of year as part of 22nd street/west downtown redevelopment plan. Wells Fargo announces a major IT move/consoidation into the present campus off Jefferson

And yes, do have faith in Gone Corporate. Just curious as hell where some one like Google would want to land in the region.

You have great dreams, lots of them too....

roger wyoming II wrote:Geeze, Pittsburgh wants to be Hockey Town and now Minneapolis wants to be NFL Town:

http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_ ... ite-coming

Wells Fargo has indicated interest in buying the top 12 floors of the two 20 story office towers proposed in what would be a $400 million, five-block mixed use district.

Too bad Ballpark Village is just muddling through.

Didn't Wells Fargo just move jobs out of Minneapolis to the St. Louis campus last summer?

kafuffle wrote:

roger wyoming II wrote:Geeze, Pittsburgh wants to be Hockey Town and now Minneapolis wants to be NFL Town:

http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_ ... ite-coming

Wells Fargo has indicated interest in buying the top 12 floors of the two 20 story office towers proposed in what would be a $400 million, five-block mixed use district.

Too bad Ballpark Village is just muddling through.

Didn't Wells Fargo just move jobs out of Minneapolis to the St. Louis campus last summer?

Yes, Wells Fargo Securities moved jobs out of Minneapolis to St. Louis.

Wells Fargo Bank also has a very big Mortgage Division operation and regional banking offices in Twin Cities as a result of a previous bank buy out/merger. Believe they are consolidating those offices into the new developement that Roger is referencing. Two different and large business groups within the large bank.

Thanks for the info.

Interesting article about the area around the Mets' Citi Field.

http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/2013/0 ... ction.html

Wow, its amazing how many of those pictures look like they are from a third world country. Seeing that makes me feel slightly more optimistic about ballpark village.

Almost all the photos seem to be taken from the same block.

mattonarsenal wrote:Almost all the photos seem to be taken from the same block.

Just use Google Maps/Street View to wander around the area. It's a lot more than just one block.

^ Every city has their share of chop shops and junk yards. Seems the mets decided to build right next to it.

With available land at a premium in NYC, even in the outer boroughs, theres little freedom to look around for a good neighborhood or skyline view for a new stadium--because well, those areas are already built out. Also the mets wanted to say in Flushing near the old Shea Stadium.

Apparently Ballpark Village will be much "better" than KC Power and Light District. In my opinion, it will be "better" when it is official a village, meaning mixed use.

http://fox2now.com/2013/07/17/cardinals ... r-than-kc/

^Most importantly, it needs residents, people that are there 24/7. Otherwise it will only be used 82 days of the year.

roger wyoming II wrote:^ yeah, I didn't get that report at all on how BPV was going to be "bigger and better" than P&L. When I saw it I was expecting that maybe they were announcing a second phase, but there was nothing. I'm certainly not convinced what they have online now will draw as many as KC. On non-game days, surely there will be a fair number of people checking out the Cardinals museum and grabbing a bite to eat, and if they hold a steady number of free concerts that will help sustain business, but I'm skeptical it will be a year-round smash hit. It will probably function non game days like Union Station did for awhile.... kill some time for out-of-towners looking for something to do. I wouldn't even doubt that PBR bar goes dark in winters, as I understand it does in Louisville and some of the other Live venues.

My guess is that they were referring to the eventual build out, P&L is mostly one and two story buildings, Phase 1 of BPV is three and the live area will have a retractable roof and bigger video screens hence "bigger and better"

My last visit to P&L was on a Wednesday night, there was a wrestling event at Sprint that was evidently sold out, and the place was pretty quite from the time I was there between 8 and 9:30, I think BPV will probably attract about the same amount of activity when built out, more if it becomes a true mixed project and integrate some office and residential.

One thing that puzzles me about P&L - it is suppose to be a 600 million dollar deal, the construction used there is pretty cheap, there were some serious expenses in rebuilding existing infrastructure, but I have a hard time coming up with 600 million dollars in new construction even when you factor in the H&R block building.

Ballpark Village has more potential than Power and Light District for a few reasons.

*Large 3 story first phase
*Access to Metrolink
*Cardinal fans 80+ days of the year
*Improvements to Walnut will lead tourist to site from improved Arch Grounds
*Suburban focused alternative to Washington Ave
*TOD planning in the area
*National media exposure with Ballpark views
*Additional sites ready for mixed use development

I just hope Dewitt builds off the momentum and newness of Ballpark Village and attempts to lure some residential towers. I don't know why residential towers are not already being pre-leased. Extremely short sighted to me. I also think there is real potential for a cool hotel with Arch and Stadium Views near this new entertainment venue.