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rbb wrote:

gary kreie wrote:Too bad the part labelled Busch II infield isn't right on top of and aligned with what was actually the Busch II infield. I don't think it is looking at the top-down view.

There's a video "tour" of the build site on the Cardinal website narrated by Bill Dewitt III. He says in the video that the Busch II infield is in fact in the exact same spot as the actual Busch II infield. (EDIT: Link)

It's also mentioned on the description of Ballpark Village on their site:

WHERE BASEBALL PAST, PRESENT & FUTURE COME TOGETHER



Laid out along the same lines as the old ballpark's diamond, the Busch 2 Infield will give fans a chance to walk the sacred ground once tread upon by legends. Complemented by food booths and a videoboard, the site will offer a prime gathering space for pregame ceremonies and activities, as well as movie nights and other events when baseball takes a break.

-RBB

You are correct sir. I didn't realize the old infield was that close to the new stadium left field stands and Clark Road. But look at this photo of the overlap plaque. Old Busch first base almost touches Clark Street.

framer wrote:The current site of Shannon's would make a great site for an office tower.

I agree. I believe that was part of the Downtown Now plan issued around 2000 or so.

Ballpark village would make a great site for an office tower too.

I noticed during the Cards game the other night that the framework for the terraced rooftop seating is in place. It's been fun to watch this project take shape - hopefully the sight of real, tangible progress will generate additional tenant interest.

roger wyoming II wrote:Geeze, Pittsburgh wants to be Hockey Town and now Minneapolis wants to be NFL Town:

http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_ ... ite-coming

Wells Fargo has indicated interest in buying the top 12 floors of the two 20 story office towers proposed in what would be a $400 million, five-block mixed use district.

Too bad Ballpark Village is just muddling through.

If we had an office tenant make that kind of commitment, it wouldn't be. There are several companies that have had their chance to do it, but have passed on the opportunity.

Well Minneapolis has St. Paul....

^Agreed. But I think Clayton is a bit bigger than most. I think it started a little earlier, white flight in STL was a little stronger, and for whatever reason, we had fewer companies stick it out downtown. I'm pretty sure Clayton trounces whatever suburban CBDs KC, Cinci, Pittsburgh, Cleveland and B'more have.

Atlanta has Buckhead however it is still in the city proper.

Not on your list but Seattle has Bellevue.

moorlander wrote:Not on your list but Seattle has Bellevue.

I completely forgot that one. To be honest Seattle & Bellevue is about the only equal to St. Louis & Clayton that I can think of.

You could throw Century City & Los Angeles and Jersey City & Manhattan in there: but that's New York and LA.

Due to zoning laws or lack thereof doesn't Houston have two downtowns?

I was tempted to mentionFranklin--20 minutes south of Nashville. However their "CBD" is really a historic district along the lines of Kirkwood or Main Street St. Charles. Most of the large businesses in Franklin (Nissan, Verizon,) are sprawled outside of that area.

Probably similar to Carmel.

dweebe wrote:

moorlander wrote:Not on your list but Seattle has Bellevue.

I completely forgot that one. To be honest Seattle & Bellevue is about the only equal to St. Louis & Clayton that I can think of.

You could throw Century City & Los Angeles and Jersey City & Manhattan in there: but that's New York and LA.

Even after excluding "twin cities" that may have been well established, Phoenix, Houston, Detroit, Miami, and D.C. all come to mind as having formidable newer cbds/edge cities that I think are comparable to Clayton. For a more mid-sized city what comes closest in my mind is Towson, MD... its very similar to Clayton in that it is a county seat (Baltimore Co.) adjacent to the independent namesake city.

rawest1 wrote:

debaliviere wrote:

roger wyoming II wrote:Geeze, Pittsburgh wants to be Hockey Town and now Minneapolis wants to be NFL Town:

http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_ ... ite-coming

Wells Fargo has indicated interest in buying the top 12 floors of the two 20 story office towers proposed in what would be a $400 million, five-block mixed use district.

Too bad Ballpark Village is just muddling through.

If we had an office tenant make that kind of commitment, it wouldn't be. There are several companies that have had their chance to do it, but have passed on the opportunity.

I could be mistaken but I believe Minneapolis has a much stronger corporate base than we do.

I wonder if Minneapolis and Pittsburgh's downtown areas compete with some version of Clayton the way ours does... like when Centene reneged on their intentions to build at Ballpark Village and instead built that big shiny modern building in the heart of downtown Clayton.

I believe Wells Fargo has their mortgage business unit based out of Minneapolis/St. Paul and thus the strong presence/large back office force. Like Wells Fargo Securities, I believe they are consolidating external offices to one consolidated location. That is why you actually have some people coming down from Twin Cities with Wells Fargo Securities.

I honestly think you could see something similiar for Wells Fargo Securities if McKee could pull off a gateway mall book end office tower for west downtown as per northside plan.

On a different note, It would sure be nice to see Brown Shoe give up on there development aspirations and move downtown along with Kellwood.

Neither Downtwon and to lesser extent Clayton Business District (outside of Centene) have benefited from any of the major corporate expansions from Express Scripts, Edward Jones, RGA, Montsano and Scottrade. Montsano can understand as it has to do more with their research and EJ had built out existing facilities. But it sure would have been nice to see RGA and Scottrade move downtown as I believe their build outs are greenfield or at least had Express Scripts start off downtown.