newstl2020 wrote:Yeah that most definitely was a faux "topping off" ceremony. The webcam today shows columns for another floor (or roof) being poured. There are no indications to the contrary so there's no reason to worry about it, but this building really needs the hair on top aesthetically.
Yeah, they are / were missing a whole floor (the 30th). I guess they had the ceremony early because they couldn't get all of their necessary dignitaries together if they waited for the actual topping out.
And the top does need a roof extension or cornice or something, but I'm not a fan of the slanty bit / Glohawk 2.0 on the roof, at all. It reminds me of those short guys who grow their hair long on top and then spray or gel it up to make themselves look taller. It's like, c'mon guys, you aren't fooling anyone...
I’m all for the possible glow hawk on OCW our sleepy dark downtown needs some glow at night. I’m not good at predicting but if they are correct about OCW being close to 100% leased by late spring next year then I would hope by the end of next year or early 2021 there be announcement on TCW. 2 scenarios. 1.I wouldn’t mind something of 10 floors of parking 14 floors of office and 16 floors of residential combined in one building will make it 40 floors but some residential floors could be convertible to hotel rooms. 2. 10 floors of parking 10 floors of office 15 floors of residential will be 35 floors. would think the next high rise will definitely be in the range of 20-40 floors
What do you guys see happening for phase 3 of Ballpark Village? It'd be cool to discuss what may happen in the future.
NW corner: A slightly taller version of the Pennant Building, if Cardish can lure an office tenant from the burbs, who wants their own private elevated space and their name in lights overlooking the ballpark, like PWC.
NE corner: a 10-20 story apartment building with a green roof terraced downward to the east, and with smaller and more affordable units than One Cardinal Way, i.e. built to optimize number of residents rather than lease rate, and bring year-round activity to the "Village". I hope to see some retail on this corner (Broadway / Walnut) that would bring something besides bar, food, and baseball-related stuff to the development, which would serve residents and add to that year-round activity thing, something like a Walgreen's or CVS.
Middle block: I think Cardish will hold onto this last block for awhile, so that it will essentially be Phase IV. What ultimately gets built there depends on how long, and how much the residential, hotel, and office markets improve in the interim.
What do you guys see happening for phase 3 of Ballpark Village? It'd be cool to discuss what may happen in the future.
NW corner: A slightly taller version of the Pennant Building, if Cardish can lure an office tenant from the burbs, who wants their own private elevated space and their name in lights overlooking the ballpark, like PWC.
NE corner: a 10-20 story apartment building with a green roof terraced downward to the east, and with smaller and more affordable units than One Cardinal Way, i.e. built to optimize number of residents rather than lease rate, and bring year-round activity to the "Village". I hope to see some retail on this corner (Broadway / Walnut) that would bring something besides bar, food, and baseball-related stuff to the development, which would serve residents and add to that year-round activity thing, something like a Walgreen's or CVS.
Middle block: I think Cardish will hold onto this last block for awhile, so that it will essentially be Phase IV. What ultimately gets built there depends on how long, and how much the residential, hotel, and office markets improve in the interim.
I think getting the staircase built on west side with the taller slender office building on NW corner overlooking PWC is a must in order to contain or hide the parking IMO. Anything less will be disappointing but I can see Cordish being patient. Seems like an ideal spot for a major office tenant and therefore my earlier speculation
I thought the middle block was going to be Two Cardinal Way to take advantage of views looking into the stadium if not mistaken, or do I got my bearings wrong?
Total long shot here. But it would be so cool to knock down the Stadium West garage and extend Cardinal Way not just to 9th street, but to 10th street, curving slightly to the south from 9th to 10th, so that once it reaches 10th, the Eagleton Courthouse will be centered and it would have a Chicago Board of Trade feel to it when walking/driving west on Cardinal Way with developments on both sides of the street creating a canyon effect all the way to 10th. One can only dream.
^That'd be damn cool.
Swinging off the thread's topic to quickly address the Stadium West Garage, I don't think it'll go away until it's not necessary anymore. What would need to happen first is to replace the need that it currently serves. Now, we all know it gets used for baseball games, but it also is necessary for the nearby offices, such as the Bank of America tower at 8th and Market, as well as the Cupples offices.
Two possible substitutes:
1. Garage parking south of 64/40 across from the Cupples office buildings, perhaps with walkway access above the MetroLink path. There's the giant Starr Parking Lot down there already (just learned its name from Google Maps); maybe they could build new and cross over the tracks. Hell, they could make a huge parking center down there without disturbing the Downtown urban grid.
2. A new building gets built next to the Bank of America tower, along Market between 9th and 10th, similar to the site's original plans. With new construction, they could make a dedicated garage for both itself and for the BofA tower, right where the BofA ATMs are currently located. It'd be disruptive, but it would definitely get rid of the Stadium West Garage's primary tenant if that is your end goal. Then, the Stadium West Garage's utility is gone and it can be repurposed into new building development - if and when demand presents itself. But, nothing will happen until demand for the Stadium West Garage is gone. Maybe the rise of self-driving cars will do that, but that's putting more hopes into a new technology that has yet to prove itself and may not viably arrive for a couple decades.
As I said, just some thoughts, and recognizing I'm off-topic I'm ending this here.
One thing about the BPV integrated parking garages: they're self-sustaining and decrease the need of the Stadium East and West Garages. I do hope the NW corner gets build upon soon, though, just to cover up what the PWC building's garages currently look like from Walnut.
What do you guys see happening for phase 3 of Ballpark Village? It'd be cool to discuss what may happen in the future.
NW corner: A slightly taller version of the Pennant Building, if Cardish can lure an office tenant from the burbs, who wants their own private elevated space and their name in lights overlooking the ballpark, like PWC.
NE corner: a 10-20 story apartment building with a green roof terraced downward to the east, and with smaller and more affordable units than One Cardinal Way, i.e. built to optimize number of residents rather than lease rate, and bring year-round activity to the "Village". I hope to see some retail on this corner (Broadway / Walnut) that would bring something besides bar, food, and baseball-related stuff to the development, which would serve residents and add to that year-round activity thing, something like a Walgreen's or CVS.
Middle block: I think Cardish will hold onto this last block for awhile, so that it will essentially be Phase IV. What ultimately gets built there depends on how long, and how much the residential, hotel, and office markets improve in the interim.
I think getting the staircase built on west side with the taller slender office building on NW corner overlooking PWC is a must in order to contain or hide the parking IMO. Anything less will be disappointing but I can see Cordish being patient. Seems like an ideal spot for a major office tenant and therefore my earlier speculation
I thought the middle block was going to be Two Cardinal Way to take advantage of views looking into the stadium if not mistaken, or do I got my bearings wrong?
My guess is whatever ends up behind the Pennant Building will have a similar massing to that accidentally released rendering from a couple years ago (I kind of like this design too):
I would assume any additional residential tower will end up on the center or east block. Here is a way, way older rendering showing a cluster of tall buildings on the eastern end of the development:
Total long shot here. But it would be so cool to knock down the Stadium West garage and extend Cardinal Way not just to 9th street, but to 10th street, curving slightly to the south from 9th to 10th, so that once it reaches 10th, the Eagleton Courthouse will be centered and it would have a Chicago Board of Trade feel to it when walking/driving west on Cardinal Way with developments on both sides of the street creating a canyon effect all the way to 10th. One can only dream.
This IS dreaming big. That would be fantastic. I might even start liking the courthouse building if it were walled in like that. Very Gotham, or something. I hate to drag ugly reality into this nice picture, but I think that celtic knot park across 10th from the courthouse is federal property. But as long as we're knocking down parking garages... make no small plans!
Total long shot here. But it would be so cool to knock down the Stadium West garage and extend Cardinal Way not just to 9th street, but to 10th street, curving slightly to the south from 9th to 10th, so that once it reaches 10th, the Eagleton Courthouse will be centered and it would have a Chicago Board of Trade feel to it when walking/driving west on Cardinal Way with developments on both sides of the street creating a canyon effect all the way to 10th. One can only dream.
It would never be able to extend any further than 9th street, as the building at 9th & Walnut is a major point of presence for various internet interconnects. However it still would be nice to see from 9th to 4th Street
The “curving slightly to the south” part was to avoid that building. Also, you could simply have it extend West as a pedestrian path mid-block between 9th & 10th.
Stadium West just really needs to go. I’m sure folks would hate to see a garage facing City Garden, but I’d trade a garage for B of A Plaza on the it’s empty green space along 10th street in exchange for a fully developed mixed use replacement of Stadium West. Seems there’d be enough room for a Central Downtown Garage style structure on that green space with enough spaces to appease the B of A Plaza tenants while improving the streetscape with retail.
Call me crazy, but I'd almost rather see Stadium East be the first of those two garages to go.
Development leading up to the courthouse sounds nice, and, yeah, I want to see that, but I'd rather see development leading up to and including the Millennium Hotel.
Between the Stadium garages and Kiener garages, I don't know which I hate the most. The Kiener garages are just dreadful for that section of downtown. 6th and Pine might be the ugliest intersection in the entire city, even with Met Square.
I would assume any additional residential tower will end up on the center or east block. Here is a way, way older rendering showing a cluster of tall buildings on the eastern end of the development:
Funny, I've probably seen this rendering a hundred times, and never noticed that they have demolished the 1980s addition to 300 S. Broadway, but left the historic portion in place...
Also interesting that we wound up being so close to the current building at Clark and Grand in that resume. If we can get the other 2 as close as the first we will be in great shape.
Walking by today it struck me how everything at this point really dwarfs the bar mall. Funny considering how "big" that thing used to look in the parking lot by itself.
That's an amazing shot. You can totally visualize exactly what it's going to look like this time next year in the middle of a snowstorm, only packed with people in the hotel and OCW. Loving the uplighting on the LbL building. Thanks!
This area was eerily quiet because of the snow and ice once the hotel and residential open up this will wake up this part of downtown that’s mostly sleepy. Hopefully all phases get developed and development pushes beyond this general area and surrounding places
This area was eerily quiet because of the snow and ice once the hotel and residential open up this will wake up this part of downtown that’s mostly sleepy. Hopefully all p get developed and development pushes beyond this general area and surrounding places
