I gotta be honest, I never expected it go beyond that glorified bar.
It would depend on when I was asked. If it was 2016, then yes. By that point, I didn't expect anything more than the bar mall, along with some outdoor event space and a massive parking garage. But when the new stadium opened in 2006, in addition to those, I fully expected there to be at least one residential tower, some mixed-use, mid-rise residential, and a large hotel tower, which would be open or nearing completion in 2008...ImprovSTL wrote:I gotta be honest, I never expected it go beyond that glorified bar.
Will go all in, we need to add the Cupples infill opportunities that hopefully Koman can pull off sooner than later.KansasCitian wrote:Imagine a fully fleshed out Ballpark Village, with towers on the remaining three parcels, and then 300...
I also dream about the day in which the ballpark garages can be eliminated and Cardinal Way can be extended to 4th St. & 9th St.
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The dream of Downtown South-of-Market also needs to include building on the parking lot east of Busch III (the lot south of Spruce and north of 64/40) as well as a full redevelopment of the former Millennium Hotel (Fourth between Spruce and the Deloitte Building). Get 300' buildings going into that whole area, as well as on the remaining BPV footprint, and we have a new Downtown. It will happen, but I'm not holding my breath on this all happening in the near term.
Post Distpatch with update on BPV Onelift Fitness. Not signed up to their website/paywall to get access to full article but assume not much more to what is already known on this thread.
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 79ad1.html
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 79ad1.html
That's the problem. There's no end to the list of properties that need infill, even without including all the acreage occupied by single-use parking structures. Outside of Ballpark Village, the only realistic near-term plan (within 2 decades) to increase density and activity here is mixed-use, mid-rise buildings (and to stop demolishing the little bit of dense urban fabric that exists here).gone corporate wrote:The dream of Downtown South-of-Market also needs to include building on the parking lot east of Busch III (the lot south of Spruce and north of 64/40) as well as a full redevelopment of the former Millennium Hotel (Fourth between Spruce and the Deloitte Building). Get 300' buildings going into that whole area, as well as on the remaining BPV footprint, and we have a new Downtown. It will happen, but I'm not holding my breath on this all happening in the near term.
"Onelife Fitness Club will open next year at Ballpark Village in downtown St. Louis.dredger wrote:Post Distpatch with update on BPV Onelift Fitness. Not signed up to their website/paywall to get access to full article but assume not much more to what is already known on this thread.
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 79ad1.html
The two-level, 31,000 square foot gym will have more than $1 million in cardio and strength equipment, a spin studio and interior and exterior turf training areas.
US Fitness Holdings LLC operates more than 50 gyms nationwide, including Onelife Fitness Clubs in Missouri, Georgia, Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia and Washington, D.C. The company's first Midwest location opened in Kansas City in Cordish Cos.' Power & Light District. Cordish is the co-developer of St. Louis' Ballpark Village, located next to Busch Stadium.
More Onelife Fitness Clubs may open in St. Louis. "Onelife Fitness is very excited to be joining the area and the development with the Cordish Companies and are looking for other premier locations," said spokeswoman Paige Johnson."
The last glass pieces are being installed where the construction elevator was. After this, broken pieces will be replaced. You probably can't see them in this photo, but trees are being planted along Cardinal Way. The corners of the building will have a white coating placed on them prior to the signs being installed. Maybe 2 weeks on that.
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This Arch photo reminds me that in 1961, the plan apparently included a clear observation bubble on top of the Arch, as published in the paper back then. In the picture above, there appears to be two openings at the top on the North and South ends of the top of the Arch.sc4mayor wrote:I know some folks have their issues with this development, but overall I think it looks pretty stellar. I saw this photo on Facebook from Justin Barr (stl_from_above), and I think it really demonstrates how BPV gives the area south of Market some good building density. Really fills things in.
How hard would it be add some kind of glass walkway on top of the Arch from one opening to the other? Maybe just set up in summer? Or maybe just for one year. Or maybe the center third of the North South strip could elevate & retract. That could provide a spectacular view without being visible from below at all, and it could be removed or retracted to look as it does now in non-summer months. Lot's of buildings are adding high altitude views, such as this one in LA:
^ I'm not an engineer, but I would imagine that would be very, very difficult, and really not necessary. Something like that would make a little more sense on a large building downtown. The City Museum even has a similar outdoor slide, though it isn't glass.
Never mind the National Park Service and their stringent regulations on what can and can't go on National Park land. They wouldn't even let us build a restaurant and little plaza in front of the Old Cathedral.
Never mind the National Park Service and their stringent regulations on what can and can't go on National Park land. They wouldn't even let us build a restaurant and little plaza in front of the Old Cathedral.
Interesting concept, but I'm going to vote no (although Betty Draper would have looked great in that rendering).
It would probably require an Act of Congress. So pretty difficult.gary kreie wrote:How hard would it be add some kind of glass walkway on top of the Arch from one opening to the other? Maybe just set up in summer? Or maybe just for one year.
A single ride on the Skyslide at U.S. Bank Tower in LA only costs $8, but first you have to spend $25 just for admission to Skyspace. So basically you're going to spend at least $33 to ride the slide.
So... no "St. Louis" in the Cardinals script font on the screen facing Cardinal Way?chriss752 wrote:The last glass pieces are being installed where the construction elevator was. After this, broken pieces will be replaced. You probably can't see them in this photo, but trees are being planted along Cardinal Way. The corners of the building will have a white coating placed on them prior to the signs being installed. Maybe 2 weeks on that.
Would be a waste to do that graphic if you were to....you know...block it with another building on the lot just to the north.
(fingers crossed)
(fingers crossed)
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^There will still be pedestrian traffic that would see it and it can't be all that much more work than a blank wall.
Good point. Fingers crossed.shadrach wrote:Would be a waste to do that graphic if you were to....you know...block it with another building on the lot just to the north.
(fingers crossed)
LOL. It's an 85000 sf office building, with 5000 sf of retail, and 3 parking levels...sc4mayor wrote:^ If only downtown had the demand for an office building of that size...
It is also at least $12 million cheaper than the Pennant building, and yet the design is 100x superior aesthetically.
My apologizes, no need to be rude about it.....urbanitas wrote:LOL. It's an 85000 sf office building, with 5000 sf of retail, and 3 parking levels...sc4mayor wrote:^ If only downtown had the demand for an office building of that size...
It is also at least $12 million cheaper than the Pennant building, and yet the design is 100x superior aesthetically.
It looks significantly larger than the Pennant Building.
I'd be happy with just another apartment tower and some mixed use 3-8 story dense brick infill (like in that picture), as long as it offered reasonable lease rates that allowed for independent bars, retail and restaurants in. Though maybe that should exist more down Broadway/4th and create a dense lower Downtown entertainment corridor. And then I wouldn't be able to stress over another parking podium office tower in BPV. The lack of authentic experiences is what keeps me from ever going to BPV I. It's mostly a cheesy overpriced playground for tourists.
Honestly would like to see AT&T and RRX committed to in order to get workforce continuing to span across Market. Then a BPV III office tower component and Cupples. 300 Broadway. Millennium. Lord, the list is too long really, I suppose, to have any sort of real preference. Just would like to see continued momentum north of Market that doesn't take tens of millions in subsidies. I think finding a way to offer reasonable rents for street level retail will be huge to see Downtown streets bounce back again. As well as dozens of other things. I think the City should be squirreling away funds to back affordable retail space as any precursor for development incentives.
Honestly would like to see AT&T and RRX committed to in order to get workforce continuing to span across Market. Then a BPV III office tower component and Cupples. 300 Broadway. Millennium. Lord, the list is too long really, I suppose, to have any sort of real preference. Just would like to see continued momentum north of Market that doesn't take tens of millions in subsidies. I think finding a way to offer reasonable rents for street level retail will be huge to see Downtown streets bounce back again. As well as dozens of other things. I think the City should be squirreling away funds to back affordable retail space as any precursor for development incentives.
This rendering was leaked back when Phase 2 was announced. I don’t know whether or not any potential Phase 3 will look like this, but it might give you an idea of what could be built there.DTGstl314 wrote:Good point. Fingers crossed.shadrach wrote:Would be a waste to do that graphic if you were to....you know...block it with another building on the lot just to the north.
(fingers crossed)
No, no, it is entirely my fault. I should have anticipated your assumptions and reflexive need for a defensive response, and provided a link for you with all of the relevant project information...sc4mayor wrote:My apologizes, no need to be rude about it.....urbanitas wrote:LOL. It's an 85000 sf office building, with 5000 sf of retail, and 3 parking levels...sc4mayor wrote:^ If only downtown had the demand for an office building of that size...
It is also at least $12 million cheaper than the Pennant building, and yet the design is 100x superior aesthetically.
It looks significantly larger than the Pennant Building.