Hate to say but we live in a midwestern city and there are quite a few 'country' folk that live around here and will flock to this.debaliviere wrote:PBR Bullriding bullcrap bar. Meh.
Call me an arrogant city slicker, but this is a niche that does not need to be filled.moorlander wrote:Alex Ihnen wrote:Latest tenant announcement: a PBR bar.
There are not any country themed bars in downtown St. Louis that I can think of so I guess this fits a niche.?.?
http://www.ksdk.com/money/article/36305 ... rk-Village
It will be very similar to the PBR - BIG SKY bar in KC's P&L.
Not sure I understand? The comparison is the same developer, the same chain bars. I guess BPV isn't going to be the one thing that finally gets people downtown - since they're already coming downtown for games?topeka_bobby wrote:3,262,109 people attended cardinals games last year.. Stop the comparisons to Power & Light. Its silly.
think people on this board generally think of P&L as a failure (and it very well might be) I'm just saying they are two different animals due to the different environments they are in. yes some tenants will be the same and may not be everyones cup of tea..big deal, why bash?Alex Ihnen wrote:Not sure I understand? The comparison is the same developer, the same chain bars. I guess BPV isn't going to be the one thing that finally gets people downtown - since they're already coming downtown for games?topeka_bobby wrote:3,262,109 people attended cardinals games last year.. Stop the comparisons to Power & Light. Its silly.
well, the concept of a downtown Bass Pro just got elevated multiple notches! Seriously, though, I am completely fine with the tenant choices so far. Cardinals Hall of Fame, Cardinals Restaurant, Budweiser Bar/Restaurant and PBR are all geared very well to a suburban clientele that will help generate more patronage of downtown StL while likely not displacing a lot of $$ from existing establishments and districts with a more authentically urban and independent character. Phase One could be called Suburban Village and that's fine as it is rather small footprint.... the big question is what comes next.stlgasm wrote:A COWBOY bar? Oh jeez... this just set our public image back a few notches. But I'm sure the daytrippers from Arkansas and Kansas are going to have a blast!
I think that's a serious concern though. Will Phase I compromise the viability of a more desirable phase II. Basically, will office tenants and condo buyers want to work and live in a theme park?Mark Groth wrote:they were going for a circus atmosphere in phase one.
I really hope you're right about not displacing $$ from existing establishments. That's my biggest concern with the 3 announced tenants. A cowboy bar isn't really my cup of tea, but I have visited a PBR bar/restaurant in Las Vegas and it was decent.roger wyoming II wrote:well, the concept of a downtown Bass Pro just got elevated multiple notches! Seriously, though, I am completely fine with the tenant choices so far. Cardinals Hall of Fame, Cardinals Restaurant, Budweiser Bar/Restaurant and PBR are all geared very well to a suburban clientele that will help generate more patronage of downtown StL while likely not displacing a lot of $$ from existing establishments and districts with a more authentically urban and independent character. Phase One could be called Suburban Village and that's fine as it is rather small footprint.... the big question is what comes next.stlgasm wrote:A COWBOY bar? Oh jeez... this just set our public image back a few notches. But I'm sure the daytrippers from Arkansas and Kansas are going to have a blast!
Exactly. This should be their worry.wabash wrote: Will Phase I compromise the viability of a more desirable phase II. Basically, will office tenants and condo buyers want to work and live in a theme park?
I hope I am right, too! Bar and restaurant business is very tough and surely there will be some degree of hit from more competition, but I think it is a good thing that there is no reasonable relationship between the character of BPV bars and Washington Ave, the Landing, or south Stadium, etc. I also think ballpark-proximate restaurants like Shannon's will continue to do well and of course Tony's is in a class of its own and there already was some talk of a move anyway. btw, do I recall correctly an upscale beer palace will be opening up before game day in Cupples?StL2003 wrote: I really hope you're right about not displacing $$ from existing establishments. That's my biggest concern with the 3 announced tenants. A cowboy bar isn't really my cup of tea, but I have visited a PBR bar/restaurant in Las Vegas and it was decent.
Now that would be interesting.