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goat314 wrote: I know some don't like they aesthetics of BPV, but it's still shaping up to be a more attractive development than KCP&L in my opinion. Hopefully a phase III is announced before phase II finishes. 

As someone that sees P&L everyday in real life...I am in 100% agreement with you there.  I won't deny how great it's been just for bringing life back into Downtown KC, but the design has always left something to be desired to me.  Aside from H&R Block, that's a great looking building.

I think we'll see a second residential tower announced before 1CW is completed.  Anyone heard anything on leasing?  Last I heard I thought it was somewhere between 30% and 40%.
By the way, thanks for the pics newsSTL!

I know the goal is to have a major office tenant for Phase III, but I'm skeptical of the demand for that. I wonder if Cordish and the Cardinals would be interested in pursuing 3 more residential towers instead. Or possibly even 2 residential towers and another big name hotel that St. Louis currently doesn't have like Virgin or JW Marriot. 

( I know I like to visualize things so just thought I'd drop these here in case any of you are too.)

Here are some self-made renderings of what I think BPV will eventually look like if all goes according to plan. NE lot is 380 feet but would measure 480' when going by pinnacle height, North lot would stand 250 feet, and the NW lot would be the shortest at 235 feet. Sorry if you found this irrelevant, I just thought I'd share.

shadrach wrote:To add to your big name hotel—would love to see a W. 
Having Aloft going up helps.

W Hotel doesn’t seem out of the ballpark of reasonability. Cordish’s 4 Light (Kansas City) renderings were plastered with W logo. They seem to have a working relationship.

ldai_phs wrote: Can you export it to Google Earth 

I'll try, hang on. Don't get your hopes up 

^Nice. I'd like to see something similar with One Hundred and how it will fit in with it's surroundings (and maybe with a hypothetical Kopler Tower next door).  

Elek practically shows what the new master plan is only the buildings are different. It will be done in the stepping pattern along Walnut.

chriss752 wrote: Elek practically shows what the new master plan is only the buildings are different. It will be done in the stepping pattern along Walnut.

So are you saying that the NE corner is going to be 400+ ft tall? If so, that is a skyline changer. Will it have a spire as well?

Stupid spires. Nothing says "cheating" like an 80' spire tacked on the top of a building (see Wilshire Grand in Los Angeles).  

framer wrote: Stupid spires. Nothing says "cheating" like an 80' spire tacked on the top of a building (see Wilshire Grand in Los Angeles).  

Will be cool to see a spire in St. Louis skyline. I think currently we are spireless. Would love to see the official renderings for phase 3 and the mix of uses. Hopefully it will get announced before BPV2 is finished. 

chaifetz10 wrote: Let's not go overboard with this... there's zero actual rumors of spires and only some general ideas as to what Cordish and the Cardinals would like to do with the next phase.  Nothing more.

Sorry for any confusion, the buildings were my own design not official plans from Cordish! I just wanted to know what buildings filling the lots would look like because, again, I like visualizing things. Chris said that the heights and placement of the buildings were similar to the master plan, but he said that the buildings were going to look different. The spire was just my own touch to make the building look more interesting.

shadrach wrote: To add to your big name hotel—would love to see a W. 
Having Aloft going up helps.

I can think of two other spots downtown that might work for JW.   Developer buys defunct Millenum tower, knock it down and go in with new tower as part of a multi phase hotel, conference and future residential.  Great location between stadium(s) and the new Arch Grounds.  Plus JW might have more control or least not give up as much as they would with Cordish.  The second location would be deal between Drury and JW to place a W tower on the landing.  Location would be next Arch Grounds as well, casino and expanded convention center.  However,  I think the landing would be the least likely of three and believe Drury has no desire 

Of Course, Cordish exploring another hotel tower seems very plausible and even more so considering that BPV office tower will come at an anchor tenant wanting to pay a premium & if ATT building new owner lands one of the few major tenants that would require sufficient enough square footage to warrant a BPV phase III office tower.   BPV should and probably already taking a run at a W as second hotel tower.  At least the W's that I have stayed in are quire different than Loew's brand & they might very well compliment each other if anything    

framer wrote: Stupid spires. Nothing says "cheating" like an 80' spire tacked on the top of a building (see Wilshire Grand in Los Angeles).  

Agreed. But man is the Intercontinental nice. 

Interesting you bring that up, that exact building minus the spire would be a perfect new tallest for St. Louis. My pipe dream for the next tallest in downtown and Clayton are both curved towers. All things considered both skylines are rather boxy at current. (100 upping the ante for our "third" skyline, thankfully!)

^Cool work above, Elek. Thanks for the visuals.

Looking at this photos, it is amazing how big of an impact these new hi-rises are having on the streetscape and skyline. OCW is going to be a handsome tower. I can't wait for phase III. 

Nice. 

Boy, that Mike Shannon's site really deserves something special. 

Mike Shannon’s is on a land lease from the Ballpark Hilton. It would cost a ton to acquire the property from the Hilton so it will most likely stay as is for now. I could see LHM building a residential building on it since they own it.

Here is Live by Loews today. The glass is making it look better.

^I don’t think LHM develops residential projects. Would be great to see someone in that line of business get ahold of it.


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wabash wrote:^I don’t think LHM develops residential projects. Would be great to see someone in that line of business get ahold of it.

Well then it’s an opportunity to do something new. They’re doing the stuff at Union Station so might as well explore the idea of doing some residential at Mike Shannon’s.

Ultimately though, I want them to overhaul the Hilton. The white facade is rusty from windowsills and the street level sucks. Walnut could use some glass and street trees to make it more welcoming and not hellish.

Went to today’s game to see the cup. Can’t wait to see this all built out


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It is certainly going to stand out in the skyline.  Are we about 2/3 of the way up?