Ballpark Village

dredger · PostJun 06, 2019#37762019-06-06T21:43+00:00

urbanitas wrote: What a lovely view for the back-facing room hotel guests and amenities deck visitors.

I will optimistically assume that that massive Pennant Building garage concrete block wall is going to get some type of screen or banner as well. I am not optimistic enough to hope for a green wall.

Those are the cheaper rooms

A green wall w real plants would be kinda cool. Especially if you leave some room for foul line markings & distance true from Busch Stadium home play. A play on baseball and nod to Boston green wall.

sc4mayor · PostJun 06, 2019#37772019-06-06T21:50+00:00

urbanitas wrote:
The Mayor wrote: ^ It's definitely getting screened.
I thought that the primary purpose of screening on a parking garage was to allow airflow to ventilate the garage ( so that parking enthusiasts don't all die horrible deaths from deadly / lethal / toxic / poisonous carbon dioxide ), and yet still allow for a pretense of aesthetic camouflage. The concrete block would seem to defeat that purpose.

The cheapest option would be another giant advertising banner(s) over the vast expanse of concrete. That's more likely given that there are already a couple of those rendered for other parts of Phase II. Actually, the cheapest option would be paint, but I don't think Cordish or the Cardinals would pass up any opportunity for more advertising surface in Ballpark Village.

I'm not an architect or an engineer, so I have no idea how they plan on ventilating the garages.

chriss752 · PostJun 06, 2019#37782019-06-06T21:51+00:00

They started putting up the parking screen. There will be more than enough ventilation in this garage.

urbanitas · PostJun 06, 2019#37792019-06-06T21:57+00:00

The Mayor wrote:
I'm not an architect or an engineer, so I have no idea how they plan on ventilating the garages.

I realize that is probably an outdated rendering, but that brick and screen treatment (like the north side of the garage) is what I was expecting behind the hotel. It looks like it got value-engineered out.

newstl2020 · PostJun 07, 2019#37802019-06-07T04:16+00:00

Looks like they are painting a mural on the garage similar to the front of the hotel with the various stadium layouts. There's a large plaza/event space in between the main portion of the hotel and the parking garage. We would all be lucky to get a room with 2 feet of view facing a concrete wall of another building in a good area of NYC for under $500 a night. Perspective is useful.

I would much rather look at a lifeless painted cinder block wall than a lifeless bland screened garage. That's just me though.

In person the hotel is turning out fairly well. Less thrilled about the garages of the Pennant and OCW. Hoping there's a lot more to come on the finishing front.

sc4mayor · PostJun 07, 2019#37812019-06-07T16:14+00:00

^ I'm still holding out on the Pennant garage until they actually get the screens and other treatments up, as rendered it's not the best looking garage in St. Louis but it's far from the worst. This city has literally dozens of examples of garages that are far uglier and worse on the urban fabric than this one. I actually think the 1CW garage looks pretty good, as far as garages go.

Also the idea that the Cardinals and/or Cordish would just leave a giant cinder block wall blank like it is right now is ridiculous and I think most here probably know that. I have a sneaking suspicion that it will come out looking fairly close to that rendering I posted. I don't believe its outdated, though I'm sure Chris or someone else may have an updated one if it is.

chriss752 · PostJun 07, 2019#37822019-06-07T16:35+00:00

The back of the garage will get the same treatment as the other 3 sides. As odd as that may sound, it’s part of the plan. Screen and brick.

urbanitas · PostJun 09, 2019#37832019-06-09T02:43+00:00

chriss752 wrote: The back of the garage will get the same treatment as the other 3 sides. As odd as that may sound, it’s part of the plan. Screen and brick.

The screen would be odd indeed.

If you zoom in on Mayor's pic, you can see two slots at each level for precast attachments where the faux brick columns would be, so yeah, it will get those same precast concrete nubs that they installed on the north side (which aren't shown on the rendering). I guess those will support the brick panel.

I don't see how they can put see-through metal screens over concrete block walls, though. I guess if they paint a mural on EIFS, over the concrete block, and then put the metal screens in front of that...

chriss752 · PostJun 09, 2019#37842019-06-09T03:46+00:00

In case anyone hasn’t seen, they were taking down the PwC Pennant Building crane yesterday.

STL526 · PostJun 09, 2019#37852019-06-09T15:48+00:00

^ Nice to see them progressing along! That being said, I've become so accustomed to seeing cranes Downtown. We need to find somewhere else nearby to put them back up.

chriss752 · PostJun 16, 2019#37862019-06-16T01:55+00:00

Making an impact on the skyline. I’m surprised that the PwC Pennant Building makes an appearance.

And then here is One Cardinal Way.

newstl2020 · PostJun 16, 2019#37872019-06-16T19:11+00:00

Time for another crane jump.

chriss752 · PostJun 16, 2019#37882019-06-16T20:02+00:00

newstl2020 wrote:Time for another crane jump.

They were supposed to do it today. I haven’t noticed any difference

debaliviere · PostJun 17, 2019#37892019-06-17T12:20+00:00

The hotel facade is going up. It doesn't look like I thought it would.

aprice · PostJun 17, 2019#37902019-06-17T14:12+00:00

debaliviere wrote: The hotel facade is going up. It doesn't look like I thought it would.

I'm disappointed. I've said this before but I was really excited for the white masonry appearance that the rendering alluded to. It's much more of a creamy-beige generic precast concrete finish.

pattimagee · PostJun 17, 2019#37912019-06-17T14:21+00:00

aprice wrote:
debaliviere wrote: The hotel facade is going up. It doesn't look like I thought it would.
I'm disappointed. I've said this before but I was really excited for the white masonry appearance that the rendering alluded to. It's much more of a creamy-beige generic precast concrete finish.

You don't think they'll paint that?

newstl2020 · PostJun 18, 2019#37922019-06-18T00:08+00:00

The crane was jumped today at OCW. The East facade of the hotel facing BPV has glass going in that looks extremely similar to the office building.

framer · PostJun 18, 2019#37932019-06-18T04:23+00:00

I was hoping for white terra cotta.

chaifetz10 · PostJun 18, 2019#37942019-06-18T04:28+00:00

There was zero chance Cordish was going to pay for actual terra cotta. They value engineered BPV Phase I and will almost certainly value engineer every development they build. Just another example of why we can never trust renderings as a source of truth and every development is never a done deal until it's actually built and open.

Gary5071 · PostJun 18, 2019#37952019-06-18T04:49+00:00

I try to tell everyone cordish does not design the hotel, watch the video at 8:30 https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/06/03/l ... term=loews

chaifetz10 · PostJun 18, 2019#37962019-06-18T14:01+00:00

Just my own opinion here, but that makes me believe that Loews had a ton of input on the hotel layout, # of rooms, amenity spaces, etc. The building is still owned by Cordish / Cardinals (there's zero chance they'd give up ownership rights).

sc4mayor · PostJun 18, 2019#37972019-06-18T14:54+00:00

I hope they paint or do something to the panels on the hotel. They don't bother me on the whole, but when you get up close to them so many of them were chipped and cracked and scratched up. I doubt they will, but maybe those will get overlaid with something else? I can't see them leaving all the chips and scratches on them once it's done.

newstl2020 · PostJun 18, 2019#37982019-06-18T18:27+00:00

Updates from today (6/18/19). Cloud cover was coming in so the glass on the hotel isn’t the easiest to see. Glass is going up quickly on OCW.

goat314 · PostJun 18, 2019#37992019-06-18T18:41+00:00

I know some don't like they aesthetics of BPV, but it's still shaping up to be a more attractive development than KCP&L in my opinion. Hopefully a phase III is announced before phase II finishes.

sc4mayor · PostJun 18, 2019#38002019-06-18T18:50+00:00

goat314 wrote: I know some don't like they aesthetics of BPV, but it's still shaping up to be a more attractive development than KCP&L in my opinion. Hopefully a phase III is announced before phase II finishes.

As someone that sees P&L everyday in real life...I am in 100% agreement with you there. I won't deny how great it's been just for bringing life back into Downtown KC, but the design has always left something to be desired to me. Aside from H&R Block, that's a great looking building.

I think we'll see a second residential tower announced before 1CW is completed. Anyone heard anything on leasing? Last I heard I thought it was somewhere between 30% and 40%.
By the way, thanks for the pics newsSTL!

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