According to the last sentence in that article, it may be unlikely unless there's already a corporate office tenant committed.
I wonder if someone could be lured from the county?
I wonder if someone could be lured from the county?
DeWitt like clockwork. Every 6 months or so he has to go out and say something that doesn't say anything. Key words "would like". I would like to own the Cardinals next year but that statement is pretty much meaningless. The play on words get annoying and PD needs to fill some print and web space so they go along with it......stlmizzoutiger wrote:Is it going to happen?
According to the Post-Dispatch article linked below, Cardinals ownership would like to break ground next year on 280 to 290 residential units, office space, a hotel and more retail space.
http://www.stltoday.com/business/column ... c522e.html
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^ I agree not to get hopes up, but one thing that seemed a bit different this time around was the specific unit count for residential.... makes you think they are at least drawing up plans.
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Dewitt said "tall, thin residential tower". A couple of years ago I rented a place in this tower in NY for a few days via Air BNB, corner of 8th Ave and W 48th street. It is 44 floors but only one two-bedroom unit wide, so you have views out both sides of the tower. I think it is 3 units across. I'd like to see something like this.
https://flic.kr/p/otBD4i
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https://flic.kr/p/otBD4i
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I was walking on 8th a couple years back and saw that building. One of my all time favorites
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That would be perfect!
I honestly feel like this might actually happen. I'm just extremely optimistic about the city right now. The renaissance of the last 15 years stopped the half-century decline and has filled up almost all of the once-vacant buildings. I know we've been saying it for years now, but I truly believe that it's about to really take off. It could be said that instead of retaking ground previously lost, we're finally about to advance forward.
I honestly feel like this might actually happen. I'm just extremely optimistic about the city right now. The renaissance of the last 15 years stopped the half-century decline and has filled up almost all of the once-vacant buildings. I know we've been saying it for years now, but I truly believe that it's about to really take off. It could be said that instead of retaking ground previously lost, we're finally about to advance forward.
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Every day is one day closer to Phase II and one more day of a surface parking lot.
^Every day is one day closer to [another vague and punting statement about the "hope" and "desire" that the Cardinals have for] Phase II.
Brooklyn IL strip bar Roxy's is blaming Ballpark Village for their issues.
http://www.riverfronttimes.com/musicblo ... ure-rumors
http://www.riverfronttimes.com/musicblo ... ure-rumors
Michael Ocello, president of VCG Holdings, which owns Roxy’s and several other clubs in Illinois, says the “iconic” strip club is now operating under a new “summer schedule,” with doors opening at 7 p.m. instead of noon and the club closed entirely on Sundays and Mondays. Previously, Roxy's had been open seven days a week.
He lists a few things as playing a part in this scaled-back schedule, citing for example, “a less than rockin’ economy in St. Louis.” Echoing the words of bars in St. Louis, Ocello says that “Ballpark Village has been a factor” over the past few years, as groups have stayed Downtown instead of venturing east.
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What in the world is this guy smokin? He can't be serious really?
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That strip along Route 3 in Brooklyn has been slowly failing since . . . well . . . since the original Roxy's burned down ten or fifteen years ago. I'd have to guess their loss of business has more to do with trucking business closures than ballpark village. There used to be quite a lot of freight traffic along 3 to points in National City, Brooklyn, Madison, and Granite. The minivan ramp closed (with the Chrysler plant, I'd guess.) National City is more or less gone. Granite City Steel has been a ghost of itself, even when it's been open. There are fewer warehouses nearby, as they've moved further out onto the fringes of the area. Half of Sauget closed. There's just . . . a lot less industry there now. And Route 3 isn't the artery it once was. There were always tractors parked in the lot across 3 from the strip. I'm not really seeing much anymore. It hasn't been what it was in the tiny footnote in American Gods since . . . well . . . since about the same time the same book billed Lambert as "busy." Yes, he's using something he would do better to leave to his clients.
All of this plus the Stan Musial Bridge also took a lot of traffic off Route 3.symphonicpoet wrote:That strip along Route 3 in Brooklyn has been slowly failing since . . . well . . . since the original Roxy's burned down ten or fifteen years ago. I'd have to guess their loss of business has more to do with trucking business closures than ballpark village. There used to be quite a lot of freight traffic along 3 to points in National City, Brooklyn, Madison, and Granite. The minivan ramp closed (with the Chrysler plant, I'd guess.) National City is more or less gone. Granite City Steel has been a ghost of itself, even when it's been open. There are fewer warehouses nearby, as they've moved further out onto the fringes of the area. Half of Sauget closed. There's just . . . a lot less industry there now. And Route 3 isn't the artery it once was. There were always tractors parked in the lot across 3 from the strip. I'm not really seeing much anymore. It hasn't been what it was in the tiny footnote in American Gods since . . . well . . . since about the same time the same book billed Lambert as "busy." Yes, he's using something he would do better to leave to his clients.
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Sorry. Forgot to mention the bridge. But yes, it is clearly an important part of the equation.
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Maybe the new 3 connector and planned for redevelopment of this area will bring the platinum ladies back to Brooklyn sometime in the future. I think my hair will likely be platinum by then but who knows.
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Yeah I agree with your comments but it doesn't explain what happened to the late night, young, after bar crowd. BPV closes at the same time as the Landing did in its hey day. When the strip bars were jamming.symphonicpoet wrote:That strip along Route 3 in Brooklyn has been slowly failing since . . . well . . . since the original Roxy's burned down ten or fifteen years ago. I'd have to guess their loss of business has more to do with trucking business closures than ballpark village. There used to be quite a lot of freight traffic along 3 to points in National City, Brooklyn, Madison, and Granite. The minivan ramp closed (with the Chrysler plant, I'd guess.) National City is more or less gone. Granite City Steel has been a ghost of itself, even when it's been open. There are fewer warehouses nearby, as they've moved further out onto the fringes of the area. Half of Sauget closed. There's just . . . a lot less industry there now. And Route 3 isn't the artery it once was. There were always tractors parked in the lot across 3 from the strip. I'm not really seeing much anymore. It hasn't been what it was in the tiny footnote in American Gods since . . . well . . . since about the same time the same book billed Lambert as "busy." Yes, he's using something he would do better to leave to his clients.
I'd like to see their sales before and after Ferguson. I'd bet there is a fear factor associated with going there.
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I doubt Ferguson had any effect at all on Brooklyn. The place was already pretty much a ghost town well before then. And I'd have to guess that if you were ever willing to go to Brooklyn you're probably not the sort of person that would be all that worried about some protests and a couple of arsons. I think more burned down in Brooklyn in the early 2000s than has burned in Ferguson in its entire history, protests and arsons included. Honestly, I think the place simply dried up due to economics, arrests, and maybe some insurance fraud. A variety of police agencies were always trying to shut something or other down there. (My ex's mother waited tables at the original Roxy's for a while and she had some colorful stories.) No. I very much suspect the owner is just crying to hear his own voice. This wasn't Gaslight Square. It was a bunch of poorly maintained trailers by the railroad tracks. Economics and bad wiring are enough explanation right there. No need to blame Ballpark Village, Ferguson, or anything else.
I'm really surprised we have no new construction coming downtown. Not surprised with office, but definitely residential. Occupancy rates are at an upward 95% and no shiny towers or mid rise residential. A lot of historic rehabs, but for people outside the city and outside the region, construction cranes and "tallest buildings" speak louder.
Ballpark village could easily benefit with residential. Any 30+ story new construction downtown would make waves across the region. Especially if new is marketed correctly (like the arcade is/was) a new tower in ballpark village would spawn a revolution of new construction.
Ballpark village could easily benefit with residential. Any 30+ story new construction downtown would make waves across the region. Especially if new is marketed correctly (like the arcade is/was) a new tower in ballpark village would spawn a revolution of new construction.
^ no doubt about it. I have a feeling we will here something this fall about the next construction at ballpark village. High rise tower? Unlikely. Several mid rise buildings? More likely. I see that area like cortex: until land and space become less available, towers will not be in demand. But who knows
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Believe it or not, we seem to have done about comparably to our peer cities, and quite a lot better than Detroit. Since 1991 we've added four highrises totaling 1488 feet. Detroit has added two at 967. Pittsburgh also has two at 906 feet. Cleveland has added five to six (depending on whether you count 1990 as the ultimate year of the eighties first of the nineties) totaling 2473/2758 (depending) and with another 374 feet scheduled to come on line this year. Cincinnati has five to eight (1990 was a good year) totaling 1976/3074. (Yep. 1990 was a good year for them.) Kansas City, by comparison, boasts eight in the same period with a total height of 2271 feet. Denver has four for a total of 1988. So we're kind of middle of the pack, I think. More new high rise than Detroit or Pittsburgh, but not as much as KC, Clevland, Cincinnati, or Denver. A note: this list does not include construction under 250' or outside of city limits. Clayton would give us another four over 250, totaling an additional 1200 feet. And pushing us up a bit in the pack. Yes. Our distributed downtown syndrome (feature? I actually kind of like it) makes us look shorter than we really are.
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I'm trying to account for these. I'm guessing the Park East Tower Condo's, the Robert's Building downtown, what are the other two? Buildings on Wash U medical campus?symphonicpoet wrote:Since 1991 we've added four highrises
^Based on Emporis it looks like Eagleton Courthouse (2000) and the Four Seasons (2007).