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user28 wrote:Look there is no doubt its disastrous to our image, to our town. But im not pessimistic. Lets pretend that in fifteen years all theyve put together is a bar mall some luxury 4 story apartments and a midrise office retail space with a parking lot nearby. Even if that is entirely despicable (and that is) its not even that bad.

The real downtown exists north of market and real, viable development opportunity lies south of the highway. Its a tourist trap no real St. Louisan would really want to go there and thats ok. There is real progress being made in the places mentioned above. Its dissapointing but i dont find it to be worth such anger.

In time the land will become too valuable to do anything but be developed the way it was once planned. But until then some bar mall fir the county folk and tourists doesnt piss me off.

I do find disgust with the current development dont get me wrong. Im just not pissed.

Also is there an unwritten rule against profanity in this forum?

I'm sorry, but are you a mole for the Cardinals and Cordish? Or are you mayor Slay or someone at City Hall? Geez.

One of the reasons they are taking their lovely time to develop this land is because of attitudes like yours. Everything you mentioned was an epic fail. I despise mentalities where people settle for less and/or deflect responsibility.

They made a promise they haven't kept. It's been 10 years since Busch III opened - a whole ***** decade - and all the taxpayers have is a glorified food court with an outdoor TV screen that's draining business from other parts of downtown. After ten years, there's no excuse for the lame parking lots - none.

Cordish and the Cardinals, in my opinion, have proven they are full-of-sh*t. Brian Hayden (of Brandonview, LLC) is essentially turning every former or barely-used building east of Tucker into luxury apartments and they are renting fast. No more excuses for the Cardinals.

Enough of the "recession" and "bad economy" bullsh*t. St. Louis has recovered. St. Louis, according to the Post-Dispatch, has 1,200 more jobs than it did before the recession hit. Employment numbers, they say, are at an all-time high so give me a break. Enough already with the excuses! 10 years...........and even longer than that if you count when BPV was first proposed. This is ridiculous.

And yes, I am angry - especially after reading that excerpt posted by moorlander.

DeWitt III is a pompous, lazy ass wanna-be developer who doesn't know what the ***** he is doing. Stick to managing baseball and turn over BPV's responsibility to someone else. Truthfully, I believe DeWitt III is more the problem than Cordish. Locals love their beloved Cardinals - and the DeWitts - and are too afraid to tell them to get their sh*t together! This is hicktown sh*t. The Cardinals are valuable to St. Louis, but no one should be afraid to challenge them to fulfill their promise. Enough with kicking the can down the road.

And yes, profanity is not allowed, which is why certain words are blocked out.

Compare Ballpark Village to the environs surrounding Wrigley Field, which is about to see new developments to further weave their ballpark into the urban fabric: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ba ... story.html

stlien wrote:How do you know they are renting fast? Any data to back that up?

1. He keeps building units. He wouldn't do it if there was no market demand.
2. His quote(s) are in the media.
3. http://www.brandonviewllc.com/
4. Next time, do your own research, since you seem to doubt mine.

Looks like this may be a Koman development on that "East of Ballpark" parking lot; presby noted the company formed a "Cupples 10 LLC" recently.

^ you mean in Cupples District? And who is buried in Grant's Tomb?

care to speculate which property?

^ from presby's twitter feed.. @PresbyterianStl

But again that's most likely over in the Cupples area rather than the surface lot Brad was talking about.

I'm not sure whether Koman is the same as the project east of Busch.

user28 wrote:Also arch city, despite personal attacks, im not a mole. Thats a dick thing to say, please be appropriate if you expect an appropriate response.

But what about "profanity" or vulgarity?

And for the record, in regards to my comment, I was just making an observation - not attacking.

There was no need to respond.

I would imagine the Cardinals are either waiting for a mystery company too loosen their risk, or they are just greedy and holding out for whatever else they can get in the meantime before they sink any further investment... but I keep hope that Dewitt & Co really care about St. Louis - realistically its probably somewhere in the middle - I just hope its toddered a little toward us.

Plus you can see the hotel development site being cleared at the bottom right AND at the top right you can see the location of the upcoming Addison project as well (not associated with the Cubs, private development).

Well.... here is what will probably be DeWitt and company's next excuse...
The stadium is 10 years old and needs renovations and we need to put the money into the stadium. (Most likely generated from those BPV million dollar parking lots.

mizstl wrote:Sigh...

@aerialscapes: Less than 2 weeks to go and the #WrigleyField grass looks great! Renovations continuing.

Wow: they finally tore down that McDonalds across the street from Wrigley.

There was no mention of how elusive future phases of BPV have been, plus the videos done for this piece are whack. Sounds like "suburbanish" people were interviewed. What's gonna happen to them when the appeal wears off in a few years? And will BPV have its "phase two" done before Arlington’s?

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