Ballpark Village

wabash · PostNov 02, 2015#21762015-11-02T20:02+00:00

^One would hope. But 6 months ago Laclede moved 450-500 employees into 700 Market (GenAm Building) across the street from BPV and just 400 feet away. Some additional employees were said to be moving into Bank of America Plaza one block further away.

That new proximity of one of St. Louis' largest public companies doesn't seem to have encouraged Jamba to stay or any new non-Cordish businesses to participate in BPV.

dweebe · PostNov 02, 2015#21772015-11-02T20:03+00:00

jstriebel wrote:Fill up one reasonably sized office tower, though, and suddenly all the food/retail of BPV and the Cupples area has life. You would THINK that would be motivation to do it. But clearly it has not been.

What are you thinking? You must be taking your crazy pills again.

arch city · PostNov 23, 2015#21782015-11-23T23:54+00:00

Perfect for LaClede's Landing (or North Riverfront) - not Ballpark Village.

jones123 · PostNov 24, 2015#21792015-11-24T03:41+00:00

Um, that roller coaster is going to Orlando. Who said it was ever going to Ballpark Village?

arch city · PostNov 24, 2015#21802015-11-24T04:39+00:00

jones123 wrote:Um, that roller coaster is going to Orlando. Who said it was ever going to Ballpark Village?

Umm. Read the thread.

Point was........appropriately placed amusement/thrill rides (like a Ferris Wheel or a vertical coaster) might be good for downtown St. Louis - just not a BPV - in my opinion.

jones123 · PostNov 24, 2015#21812015-11-24T05:42+00:00

Whoops! My bad!

I still don't think that would be a good idea. The roller coaster would be way too loud for the surrounding buildings, which would negatively affect the area around it. This kind of thing belongs in Clayton or Westport.

arch city · PostNov 24, 2015#21822015-11-24T17:09+00:00

jones123 wrote:This kind of thing belongs in Clayton or Westport.

LOL!

chaifetz10 · PostDec 08, 2015#21832015-12-08T13:53+00:00

What has always confused me is that no other developers have built up on the East and South sides of Busch. Cordish and Ballpark Village aside... there are some wide open parking lots available for new office and residential with great views of the stadium. Clayco is building a 13 story residential in the Loop, why not that same project at S. Broadway & Spruce? That just seems off to me.

roger wyoming II · PostDec 08, 2015#21842015-12-08T14:23+00:00

^ Would be nice.... the surface lot to the east is owned by a company from New York; I suspect they are finding it performing well as an investment and aren't in a rush to develop. The parcels to the west are owned locally by Cupples Parking and I could see a pretty nice wedge shape building there... and it would be right by Metrolink. I do wonder though if development might be more difficult/expensive with the different elevations, etc. Maybe one day as market rents are more solid.

Anyway, it is utterly disappointing that the folks with the prime land and already have incentives in hand are just sitting.

dredger · PostDec 08, 2015#21852015-12-08T17:50+00:00

^RW, can you correct me but doesn't Koman own one of the Cupples surface lots as part of their last development there? I wonder if their was a clause or requirement to provide that space for parking as they don't seem have problems/issues getting something ground broken once they make a move on something. My thoughts also, someone pulling off a nice residential project in front of DeWitt/Cordish. I'm still convinced the one place that condo's would sell in the region is next to Busch stadium but it literally has to be a stone's throw away.

roger wyoming II · PostDec 08, 2015#21862015-12-08T18:16+00:00

^ Don't know who is behind Cupples Parking LLC.... could be Koman.

wabash · PostDec 08, 2015#21872015-12-08T18:54+00:00

^^I think the Koman/Koplar site overlooking Forest Park might support SOME condo sales. Maybe not a whole 25+ tower, but it's really a phenomenal location in the hottest neighb in the region.

KerrytheKonstructor · PostDec 08, 2015#21882015-12-08T19:27+00:00

Yeah and with BJC soon expanding into Forest Park, would be residents will be that much closer to their jobs.

chaifetz10 · PostDec 21, 2015#21892015-12-21T02:37+00:00

Cordish is going to add to their portfolio, this time in Arlington for the Texas Rangers. I would bet that these renderings will wind up just like BPV or Xfinity Live in Philly...

http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2015 ... live.html/

wabash · PostDec 21, 2015#21902015-12-21T02:52+00:00

^Looks just like BPV, except with a 17-18 story glass tower behind it and in the middle of suburban sprawl.

PostDec 22, 2015#21912015-12-22T23:53+00:00

I stumbled upon this project while looking through the portfolio of the architecture firm designing the Dale & Boland proposal in Richmond Heights.

Apparently Lansing, Michigan has it's own small mixed-use Ballpark Village called Stadium District, with 20 condos, 30 apartments, 25,000 sq. ft. of retail space, and 11,000 sq. ft. of office space. The design is pretty uninspired. While it might not be up to snuff for BPV in terms of scale or construction (although I'd love to see something like this on the lots south of the stadium along S 4th and S Broadway), I find it extremely disheartening that Lansing (sorry, no offense Lansing) can execute a legitimate mixed-use project adding residential density next to a Single-A ballpark (which attracts about 5,000 fans per game), while BPV languishes as a bar mall + parking lot. This project cost $13-$15 million. Sorry to only gripe on this thread, but it's just so damn pathetic. I mean come on... Lansing.

quincunx · PostJan 17, 2016#21922016-01-17T01:18+00:00

Another casualty?

KMOX - Mike Shannon’s Downtown Restaurant to Close Jan. 31

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2016/01/16/ ... se-jan-31/

roger wyoming II · PostJan 17, 2016#21932016-01-17T01:21+00:00

^ certainly didn't help; especially with the gameday patio biz.

DowntownNick · PostJan 18, 2016#21942016-01-18T20:18+00:00

Article talking about next round of Cardinals HOFers. Dewitt also made mention of the next phase at BPV. Not much there, but it's the first mention of additional phases in a long time.

DeWitt also touched on other topics, including the next phase of building at Ballpark Village. The Cardinals intend to expand to apartments, some office space, and additional retail locations. There will also need to be some parking added to accommodate the residential buildings.

"This phase is all about creating the village in Ballpark Village," DeWitt said. "We’ve got the retail. We’ve got the epicenter, the hub of it. … Future phases are going to create that neighborhood and really that will be a happy day for me because then the true vision of it will be established."

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball ... deda3.html

newstl2020 · PostJan 18, 2016#21952016-01-18T20:22+00:00

Silver lining of dipshit leaving town is that resources can theoretically be focused on creating a great corridor down Clark. There's a great opportunity there with a lot of investment already in place around Cupples. The North end of downtown has great momentum with OPO square that should be continued to be built around.

dweebe · PostJan 18, 2016#21962016-01-18T20:56+00:00

Mile 227 in Sunset Hills is closing and blames Ballpark Village.

http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/m ... d1893.html

Google Maps has this as a 14.5 mile drive.

PostJan 18, 2016#21972016-01-18T20:58+00:00

Not shocking, but Harry's is closing.

http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/m ... ad916.html

“Ballpark Village was the nail in the coffin. It shut down Washington Avenue and took 70 percent of our business. We thought it would be more like 10 or 20 percent. It took the people left who were coming to downtown.”

Aesir · PostJan 18, 2016#21982016-01-18T21:18+00:00

Dropping like flies.

bprop · PostJan 18, 2016#21992016-01-18T21:24+00:00

Pieri cited a familiar scenario: “It’s the economy, the highway closing, Ballpark Village. Downtown is just a dead area right now, unfortunately. Obviously, the sad part is nobody is talking about it. Iconic places are going out of business, and nobody cares.

“Ballpark Village was the nail in the coffin. It shut down Washington Avenue and took 70 percent of our business. We thought it would be more like 10 or 20 percent. It took the people left who were coming to downtown.”

roger wyoming II · PostJan 18, 2016#22002016-01-18T21:30+00:00

I think Harry's and Shannon's were particularly vulnerable to BPV.... Joe Buck's as well.

What I don't agree on with that Harry's owner is that people are afraid to come downtown... I don't think there is any evidence of that. If it were true, we'd see some slippage in things like Cards and Blues attendance, hotel bookings, etc. and that's just not happening. What is happening is a changing scene due to both changing cultural tastes and adjustment to the BPV monster.

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