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*closes eyes tightly and crosses fingers*

Rawlings to Ballpark Village, Rawlings to Ballpark Village, Rawlings to Ballpark Village...

Seriously, from a "no duh" standpoint, it just makes soooo much sense. Corner up at Clark/7th, open up a big street-level store with glove-fittings, batting cages, re-lacing station, etc. It'd draw like crazy! Hell, drape a gaudy three-story glove off the side of the new building -- I don't care!

roger wyoming II wrote:Just curious.... I assume Drury would entertain building office on its site if a potential tenant so desired, but besides that and BPV do we know of any other potential sites in the CBD where the landowner is actively seeking to pursue new construction, whether office or residential?

I think Washington and 14 at the sky house site. I here about a year ago at work. The people that own the lot want to bring the project back but there waiting for NLEC to be shut down or seriously scaled back before they make any plans.

don't blame them

My aunt works at energizer and she will be going with Edgewell when they split. Her new building will be just west of the current HQ. By the old RGA HQ.

Holy ****, look at the size of that video board. That's going to give Jerry Jones' monstrous screen at AT&T Stadium a run for its money.

Agreed about the Charter Execs high tailing it to Connecticut (of all places). New York is one thing, but Stamford? So lame.

Okay, Roger have to get you to quit posting how great it is with similar development in other cities. You might as well as throw in an update that Red Wings started construction on their new place and surrounding development

Wabash, if not mistaken, I believe Charter was bought out and the execs or the ones who get to make the decisions where already in Conn. It is the other way around, the ones in charges didn't have any desire to hightail to St. Louis and they realized why bother with the commute into NY City when you can have your office near the home. Kinda reminds of a few St. Louis based companies like RGA. Why bother having a signature location with views of the Arch or next to the Cards when the execs live close to home in West County. I really wander if having someone with some ego on top is better for a region then some one who simply wants the convenience when it comes to corporate executives.

Charter wasn't bought. It just hired a roster of senior executives from Cablevision, which is based in Long Island. You're right, they never left the New York region and apparently never intended to move to St. Louis. Those executives (who were CEO, COO, and the Chief Marketing Officer) decided to move the company to Stamford after they started calling the shots.

So yeah, you're right, they didn't high tail it to Conn. I guess the blame should be on the board (which was/is probably comprised of people who have little if any connection to St. Louis) for hiring a bunch of out-of-towners with no interest in moving to or commuting to STL.

Not that Atlanta isn't doing good things, but just to be clear, the Braves new stadium is going out in the 'burbs. If the Cardinals had built their stadium in Town & Country, they'd certainly have had better luck getting some businesses to relocate to that version of a ballpark village.

^ very true...probably have a RGA tower and Mercy tower at ballpark village of town and county

jstriebel wrote:Not that Atlanta isn't doing good things, but just to be clear, the Braves new stadium is going out in the 'burbs. If the Cardinals had built their stadium in Town & Country, they'd certainly have had better luck getting some businesses to relocate to that version of a ballpark village.

Maybe so. But that's still no excuse. City leaders should push for better development.

^ city leaders can push all they want, if a company doesnt see a benefit of moving downtown they wont move...so you either have to bend over and give them tax breaks or they'll just keep building along i-64 in west co.

^ absolutely agree, Detriot has a hometown boy in Quicken who literally picked up his business out of the burbs and bought up half of downtown where as KC is literally paying $12-14 million a year directly out of its city budget to cover what Cordish built to date and will probably pay more after the residential high rise tower is complete. Cincy I believe is doing a combination of both plus having the luxury of not having a competing CBD such as Clayton. Could be mistaken about Cincy, but Detroit and KC is exactly what dblnsouthcity stated

The problem is the developer wants a risk free asset despite the demand being there. It has little to so with downtown.

Roger, I guess I'm getting at the difference in incentives. I think their is a fundamental and substantial difference in giving up a portion of future tax revenues on a property that generates minimal or no tax revenues or even redirecting some of those tax revenues versus a city or govt entity underwriting or backing a bond payment from its general fund. That is what KC essentially did for Cordish. I think downtown2007 put it well in his last comment. Cordish wants a risk free asset. They got it in KC but not in St Louis. A new high rise residential is being built in KC and one is rumored but going nowhere in St. Louis.

Was it a good choice KC? not really sure but I believe St Louis made the right decision at the time BPV deal was made. Should city reconsider for BPV? My thought is talk to Drury about making their tower happen on the landing before giving Cordish or even McKee a call for that matter. Cordish had a shot with Cenene and then Stifel. McKee has the city pursuing a brand new spanking NGA facility right in the middle of his huge TIF. So why not help the regional developer/hotel with a tower at the landing.

Over in the "The State of Downtown" thread it was noted how the Cardinals were recently said to be the most profitable team in baseball, and yet there have been no new announcements concerning ballpark village. This should come as no surprise to anyone familiar with the history of Ballpark Village - delay and downsizing define the entire history of the project, so there's really no reason to expect anything else.

Still, I'm reminded of Six Flags and how, every single year they introduce something new. Some years it's something smaller like a water ride or large carnival-style ride, other years it's something huge like a new roller coaster. The point is, year-in year-out they add something to boost interest and drive marketing. For 2015 BPV will have.... more of the same. Unless you include the unsuccessful 1876 (EDM) dance club being replaced by the Crown Room (pop music) dance club.