It happened in the 500 block of Locust and the victims ran to Ballpark Village. They didn't get robbed at Ballpark Village. Big difference.
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from the Milwaukee Business Journal:
St. Louis' Ballpark Village an example for Milwaukee arena district
If Milwaukee Bucks owners Wes Edens and Marc Lasry are looking for an example of how to generate money around a sports stadium, they should take a look at the new Ballpark Village, which is located next to Busch Stadium in St. Louis. Check out the attached slideshow to see photos of the 100,000-square-foot development, which opened in April 2014.
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St. Louis' Ballpark Village an example for Milwaukee arena district
If Milwaukee Bucks owners Wes Edens and Marc Lasry are looking for an example of how to generate money around a sports stadium, they should take a look at the new Ballpark Village, which is located next to Busch Stadium in St. Louis. Check out the attached slideshow to see photos of the 100,000-square-foot development, which opened in April 2014.
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Here's the story.
And here's the general vicinity (courtesy of Google Maps).
Too bad one simply cannot go downtown and be safe. However, one should never walk down streets and alleys where there are dark empty buildings. Traversing alleys and dark empty streets will you mugged in any city.
If true, too bad at least one of them didn't have a gun to blast them away.
And here's the general vicinity (courtesy of Google Maps).
Too bad one simply cannot go downtown and be safe. However, one should never walk down streets and alleys where there are dark empty buildings. Traversing alleys and dark empty streets will you mugged in any city.
If true, too bad at least one of them didn't have a gun to blast them away.
^ I don't know that I'd call Locust street one block off of Broadway a dark alleyway or some back street. This is near one of the major north-south arteries in downtown and just up the street from a still-very-active ballpark area. Yeah the ugly parking garage is imposing and not very pedestrian-friendly but this was in the heart of downtown during a busy game night. I've parked further away than that to get to 360 recently.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think downtown is crime-infested. But that could appear to some to be a backhanded victim blame. It's a shame this is an issue, and it's a shame that it will be blown out of proportion by some.
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Don't get me wrong, I don't think downtown is crime-infested. But that could appear to some to be a backhanded victim blame. It's a shame this is an issue, and it's a shame that it will be blown out of proportion by some.
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http://www.kmov.com/news/crime/Armed-ro ... 48981.htmldbInSouthCity wrote:3 people robbed at gun point last night at 10:30 at BPV.....great.......
Not sure if I buy that unless they were robbed by a broom stick or a runway model.Police say the other suspect is 6 foot, approximately 120 pounds,
I'm guessing other mid-sized cities with downtown sporting venues are watching St. Louis' BPV with a lot of interest.jstriebel wrote:The nice thing for Cleveland—and granted, their park is 20ish years old now—is that it's a local developer buying the land.
I mean, yes, the Cardinals are local, but Cordish isn't, and the Cardinals primary business isn't development, so they're not motivated to rush things. (That's not all bad, but it certainly can be.)
I didn't refer to the 500 block of Locust St. downtown as a "back street", but at 10:30pm it is safe to say that it is a dark empty street as I suggested.rbb wrote:^ I don't know that I'd call Locust street one block off of Broadway a dark alleyway or some back street. This is near one of the major north-south arteries in downtown and just up the street from a still-very-active ballpark area.
No one is blaming the victim, but at the end of the day.......you are in St. Louis......and you must be smarter than the potential criminals or predators - or at least one or two steps ahead of them. There's no way in hell I'm walking on that part of Locust at night unless I am armed with a gun or at mace. Macy's is closed and other buildings are EMPTY. There's tumbleweeds.
At the end of the day, the robbers are at 100% fault. While hindsight is 20/20, it doesn't hurt to fine-tune your judgment and sensitivities when you are in the big city at night - and that includes me.
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^^ I would say cities probably aren't impressed with BPV overall performance.... its yet to be mixed-use and I think other cities are seeing development occur near stadiums whether the district is called a village or not (although probably most are also TIFed/incentivized like BPV.)
I think the key questions for cities to look at include:
-- does land owned by teams get developed more quickly or is it better to have others lead development?
-- what are the longer-term impacts on existing businesses and city budgets if a stadium entertainment district is incentivized?
-- how can agreements be structured to ensure team follow-through?
I think the key questions for cities to look at include:
-- does land owned by teams get developed more quickly or is it better to have others lead development?
-- what are the longer-term impacts on existing businesses and city budgets if a stadium entertainment district is incentivized?
-- how can agreements be structured to ensure team follow-through?
100% True. I've lived at Broadway and Olive (essentially a block or less from 500 Locust) for the past five years. When walking to/from home late and/or vacant hours of downtown this stretch of Locust is one I always avoid. Its just incredibly vacant and I've always felt the overhang of the parking garage above the sidewalk on the northside of Locust would make for a good spot for a potential mugging. Olive is usually way better, better chance for other pedestrians being out and if not, there are at least active buildings with security (Metropolitan Life, Laclede).I didn't refer to the 500 block of Locust St. downtown as a "back street", but at 10:30pm it is safe to say that it is a dark empty street as I suggested.
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That is just an indicator of how far we have to go yet for downtown.... its nice that OPO area is getting tackled but that whole area of the CBD from Broadway to 7th & Olive to Washington are virtual ghost towns even in the daytime let alone night. Hopefully we'll get some momentum on lower Olive before long (even Lasalle Building would be a nice start before more complex Mercantile and RRX can be tackled) as well as leasing up some of the rear spots of M/X (6th & Locust)... that would at least bring more activity and should increase safety.arch city wrote: Macy's is closed and other buildings are EMPTY. There's tumbleweeds.
Yup. It feels so much worse with Macy's closed. I've been downtown going on 8 years and the CBD has never felt this dead, even in the middle of the day.Broadway to 7th & Olive to Washington are virtual ghost towns even in the daytime let alone night.
And that 500 block of locust? I don't like walking down it during the day, no way i'd walk those blocks at night. That garage overhang really makes that block feel scary.
I love downtown, but it's feeling really sleepy lately. Off topic, i know.
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Downtown is strange some days it feels really dead and others it is jumping i don't just mean on game or event days.olvidarte wrote:Yup. It feels so much worse with Macy's closed. I've been downtown going on 8 years and the CBD has never felt this dead, even in the middle of the day.Broadway to 7th & Olive to Washington are virtual ghost towns even in the daytime let alone night.
And that 500 block of locust? I don't like walking down it during the day, no way i'd walk those blocks at night. That garage overhang really makes that block feel scary.
I love downtown, but it's feeling really sleepy lately. Off topic, i know.
I see downtown much better in about 3 years from now. By then arcade, chem and other apartment projects should be done and some startups should grow in to mid size companies. Lacade would probably also add some employees downtown I herd rumors that could be any were from 30 to 200 so I guess we would wait and see.
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That section of downtown really is much worse since Macy's closed. It's been a year since its doors closed, and now the building is completely empty. The mayor made its closing sound like no big deal because hipsters don't shop in department stores. People like me who mourned its loss must have looked like sentimental old farts by comparison. Seriously, however you feel about the store, it was one of the last signs of life in that entire area. The restaurants along Olive and Seventh aren't open past lunchtime or on weekends, and Mercantile Exchange retail is still concentrated on the Washington Avenue side, with the Locust Street side vacant. That whole area around the Mercantile Library and Railway Exchange buildings looks like the place where young Bruce Wayne's parents were murdered. As adjacent developments nearby are completed, perhaps the ground floors of these buildings will slowly come back to life, but now, it's No Man's Land, regardless of the time of day.olvidarte wrote:Yup. It feels so much worse with Macy's closed. I've been downtown going on 8 years and the CBD has never felt this dead, even in the middle of the day.Broadway to 7th & Olive to Washington are virtual ghost towns even in the daytime let alone night.
And that 500 block of locust? I don't like walking down it during the day, no way i'd walk those blocks at night. That garage overhang really makes that block feel scary.
I love downtown, but it's feeling really sleepy lately. Off topic, i know.
I agree, downtown feels a bit sleepy now, at least away from Washington Avenue. Getting back on topic, the true test of Ballpark Village will come after the Cardinals finish their season (in October, I assume). I've eaten in all of the restaurants and I've come away pleased each time, but how many times are people going to go there just for that? After all, that's the problem with downtown. Even if there's a restaurant you like, if there's no events in progress, you go to eat, and there's not much to do afterwards. Again, I am confident that this will eventually improve. It's just frustrating to see such a large dead zone in the middle of downtown after so many years of progress in surrounding areas.
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^ really good discussion here on downtown... I'll cut and past it over to the state of downtown thread so we can try to get back to BPV-centric stuff here.
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Thanks! I was on a roll until I realized I was veering off-topic, although I think what applies to Ballpark Village (There's no game or other event, we ate dinner, what's next?) also applies to downtown at large.roger wyoming II wrote:^ really good discussion here on downtown... I'll cut and past it over to the state of downtown thread so we can try to get back to BPV-centric stuff here.
As far as Ballpark Village is concerned, however, I still think the true test of its staying power is going to come after the Cardinals season comes to an end. Hopefully, after the Cardinals win their 12th World Series in October, there will still be events to bring people in from time to time, and hopefully it will be a fun place to gather for Blues and Rams games, especially when those teams are on the road.
Deep down, though, I know that those of us who want so much more for the Ballpark Village area are going to need a lot of patience. As it was said before, Cordish is probably not in a hurry to build subsequent phases in my opinion. Also, since the Cardinals are not necessarily real estate developers, they are going to exercise prudence and caution. Although that's frustrating for me to say, I cannot blame them either. Bottom line, I am now pretty confident that we'll see Phase II, and eventually, a residential, office, and retail mix added to the dining and entertainment. However, as is often the case in St. Louis, I expect the pace of progress to be slow.
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^ iirc the PBR place in Louisville closes in the winter and I wouldn't be surprised to see some of that happen here as well... in my mind I kind of see BPV in its present state as somewhat of a food truck that comes in for the warm season. If it overperforms expectations in the off-season then great but no biggie if it doesn't... the area isn't really part of the urban fabric and I'd just as well see it be more or less a seasonal place until future phases come along.
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They will not be closing any businesses for the winter. Blues, Rams, college football, NFL... There's a ton of sports for them to cater too. Instead of being Cardinal centric I'd expect them to make a push to be the viewing site for any and all sports games.
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^ Of course a lot of other places want some of the action as well.... anyone been to the sports bar that opened a few weeks ago in Cupples? Anyway, hopefully everybody will be able to succeed. Some good news is that convention and hotel bookings are up so that should help overall biz on non game days.
If I were BPV I'd cozy up to the Blues, offer free or $5 parking and run a few buses up and down Clark on game nights.
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Went to wheelhouse last night. Felt like a mizzou frat party but it was a good time. They probably should have gone with more small bars like mcgurcks does vs the two really large bars which makes service pretty slow sometimesroger wyoming II wrote:^ Of course a lot of other places want some of the action as well.... anyone been to the sports bar that opened a few weeks ago in Cupples? Anyway, hopefully everybody will be able to succeed. Some good news is that convention and hotel bookings are up so that should help overall biz on non game days.
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That'd be nice. It seems like there's an opportunity to tie in with Rams games to some extent as well!dweebe wrote:If I were BPV I'd cozy up to the Blues, offer free or $5 parking and run a few buses up and down Clark on game nights.
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^Expext to see the Rams tie-ins announced here very shortly. Also, some new signage was added to the north side of the building, Missouri Lottery being finished yesterday. If I can figure out where to host them, I'll add some pics.
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tinypic.com works great and freechaifetz10 wrote:^Expext to see the Rams tie-ins announced here very shortly. Also, some new signage was added to the north side of the building, Missouri Lottery being finished yesterday. If I can figure out where to host them, I'll add some pics.
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Phase II discussions have picked up quite a bit recently. I would expect to hear more details within the next 30-45 days.
Edit: I will update once I hear more. The details I have heard are intriguing, I will validate them though before posting.
Edit: I will update once I hear more. The details I have heard are intriguing, I will validate them though before posting.