^ Very nice. Thinking of BPV as an extension of Cupples Station sized buildings and not skyscrapers is likely the way to go. 4-6 stories with a couple a few higher than that would be a great build-out.
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Pipedream: Cardinals win the World Series and DeWitt uses the fanfare to drum up more interest in BPV. At the very least we need to get a new Cardinals Hall of Fame built immediately. So much history and potential just being wasted...
(Yes, I realize the greater impacts of the overall BPV project, just saying that with the Cardinals winning in the post season yet again a Hall of Fame is sorely missed)
(Yes, I realize the greater impacts of the overall BPV project, just saying that with the Cardinals winning in the post season yet again a Hall of Fame is sorely missed)
Adding to the pipedream: UMSL gets another major donation or two and decides to locate their new biz admin building off campus to either or: Cupples or BPV. With convenience of metrolink I don't think it is a cray idea.chaifetz10 wrote:Pipedream: Cardinals win the World Series and DeWitt uses the fanfare to drum up more interest in BPV. At the very least we need to get a new Cardinals Hall of Fame built immediately. So much history and potential just being wasted...
(Yes, I realize the greater impacts of the overall BPV project, just saying that with the Cardinals winning in the post season yet again a Hall of Fame is sorely missed)
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It would be bittersweet indeed if we won the World Series and lost Albert Pujols to free agency. So here's my proposal for re-signing Pujols: The Cardinals fully build BPV and officially name it Pujolsville. He gets 2% of all revenues generated in Pujolsville and gets to keep an eye on his kingdom with a crazy-sweet penthouse.
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Heck, just give him the property and let him build a suburban style house there with a yard and a pool. Is the property worth as much as Pujol's contract?Roger Wyoming wrote:It would be bittersweet indeed if we won the World Series and lost Albert Pujols to free agency. So here's my proposal for re-signing Pujols: The Cardinals fully build BPV and officially name it Pujolsville. He gets 2% of all revenues generated in Pujolsville and gets to keep an eye on his kingdom with a crazy-sweet penthouse.
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^ BPV may also be a good place for Nelly's "40 acres and a pool."
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I'd be curious as to the economic impact Pujols has on the region alone...from his jersey sales to fan attendance to games; it would be very interesting to see what he alone brings to the region economically.
Quote from out of town friend staying at the Westin, going to meet up at Mike Shannon's pregame:
"Shannon's is the concrete building with green signage next to the big hole by the stadium?"
Ballpark Village FAIL!
"Shannon's is the concrete building with green signage next to the big hole by the stadium?"
Ballpark Village FAIL!
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You would think they would be embarrassed and just sell the damn land.
At least I would think they would be embarrassed. The Dewitts have no shame I guess.
At least I would think they would be embarrassed. The Dewitts have no shame I guess.
BPV is the worst part of the 360 bar at the Marriott.moorlander wrote:gosh the bpv site looks awful on national tv.
Public Funding and the Cell: Who Profits?
By Jared S. Hopkins, Tribune reporter
9:12 p.m. CDT, October 26, 2011
With the White Sox losing more than they won last season, a new restaurant across the street from U.S. Cellular Field gave fans a place where they could drink away their sorrows.
But Bacardi at the Park was not brought to the north side of 35th Street by a generous corporate sponsor or the team's marketing department.
Taxpayers covered the tab.
The Illinois Sports Facilities Authority, the government agency that built and owns The Cell, paid $3.2 million for construction of the restaurant plus just about everything inside the place, from walk-in refrigerators to bar stools, the Tribune and WGN-TV found in a joint investigation.
Another $3.7 million from the agency went for infrastructure upgrades for water and sewers at the Gate 5 plaza that made the restaurant possible.
A 2010 agreement between the Sox, who selected Gibsons Restaurant Group to run the business, and the agency shows that at the project's completion, the team was exempt from owing the agency any money. That arrangement contrasts with the management agreement for operating the stadium, which stipulates the team pay rent and make payments based on attendance.
The Illinois Sports Facilities Authority agreed with White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf that the agency should not share in any restaurant profits.
Read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... 5637.story
By Jared S. Hopkins, Tribune reporter
9:12 p.m. CDT, October 26, 2011
With the White Sox losing more than they won last season, a new restaurant across the street from U.S. Cellular Field gave fans a place where they could drink away their sorrows.
But Bacardi at the Park was not brought to the north side of 35th Street by a generous corporate sponsor or the team's marketing department.
Taxpayers covered the tab.
The Illinois Sports Facilities Authority, the government agency that built and owns The Cell, paid $3.2 million for construction of the restaurant plus just about everything inside the place, from walk-in refrigerators to bar stools, the Tribune and WGN-TV found in a joint investigation.
Another $3.7 million from the agency went for infrastructure upgrades for water and sewers at the Gate 5 plaza that made the restaurant possible.
A 2010 agreement between the Sox, who selected Gibsons Restaurant Group to run the business, and the agency shows that at the project's completion, the team was exempt from owing the agency any money. That arrangement contrasts with the management agreement for operating the stadium, which stipulates the team pay rent and make payments based on attendance.
The Illinois Sports Facilities Authority agreed with White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf that the agency should not share in any restaurant profits.
Read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... 5637.story
$95 million Ballpark Village on deck in St. Louis
Looks like there's another scaled back version of BPV's Phase 1 about to come out. I'm trying to think of what $95 million buys these days. Roberts Tower cost around $80 mil. and the Park East Tower cost around $50 mil. I wonder if that number includes the cost of streets/infrastructure.
Looks like there's another scaled back version of BPV's Phase 1 about to come out. I'm trying to think of what $95 million buys these days. Roberts Tower cost around $80 mil. and the Park East Tower cost around $50 mil. I wonder if that number includes the cost of streets/infrastructure.
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I really do feel like once one major structure is built, the rest will follow. Let's just hope Phase 1 is something impressive and not a two story strip mall...
Does anyone have an account to see if there are further details in the article?
If other local news organizations aren't reporting on this, it must not be too exciting.thedude wrote:Does anyone have an account to see if there are further details in the article?
Doubt will see a tower. It will be their last rendering less the tower for Stifel Nichols. However, if this is placed right, get the a street grid in place and be patient then it might not be as bad if they could at least take a serious stab at promoting/taking deposits on a well placed residential tower or two with a hotel. Of course, Devils in Details and my wishful thinking is probably just that.chaifetz10 wrote:I really do feel like once one major structure is built, the rest will follow. Let's just hope Phase 1 is something impressive and not a two story strip mall...
What do I think will happen, probably what everybody thinks. Whatever chain restaraunts left at Union Station will show up here as soon as they can break their lease - a mini entertainment mall of a smaller number of chains surrounding by poorly planned dead space
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Yeah. The remainder of the story basically talks about how BPV keeps getting scaled down, how the Cardinals are spending $10million on utilities and land prep, and how it took Baltimore 20years to build out their version of BPV.thedude wrote:Does anyone have an account to see if there are further details in the article?
Not much to get excited about really.
Along those lines looks like another media source picked up on this very scaled down version. Hey at least we will get a few trees rather than an empty parking lot.
http://www.kplr11.com/entertainment/kpl ... 2283.story
http://www.kplr11.com/entertainment/kpl ... 2283.story
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My toughts exactly.
I'll take Ball Park Village for 200 million Witt.
Remember they also have a pretty pocket of change without Tony too.
UGH!
I'll take Ball Park Village for 200 million Witt.
Remember they also have a pretty pocket of change without Tony too.
UGH!
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http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/stl/ba ... illage.jsp
It may not be completely new information, but the Cardinals have at least updated their Ballpark Village page on their site to discuss phase one. I'm hoping some official announcement happens quickly and site work begins before things change again. At the very minimum, the new Cardinals HOF and restaurant will be a great start. (Not to mention it sounds as if the Cardinals HOF will be second only to Cooperstown in terms of size, exhibits, space, and historical items...which in my opinion will be another huge draw for baseball fans year round)
It may not be completely new information, but the Cardinals have at least updated their Ballpark Village page on their site to discuss phase one. I'm hoping some official announcement happens quickly and site work begins before things change again. At the very minimum, the new Cardinals HOF and restaurant will be a great start. (Not to mention it sounds as if the Cardinals HOF will be second only to Cooperstown in terms of size, exhibits, space, and historical items...which in my opinion will be another huge draw for baseball fans year round)
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Notes from KC. The city obviously made the right move not guaranteeing the bonds. Also notice the blurb that thevresidential portion was eleminated from the P&L and would have created more foot traffic. Hopefully the Cardinals consider residential.
http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB1 ... hare_email
http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB1 ... hare_email