There won't be any public meetings.stlgasm wrote:If there are any public meetings, I will be there.
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Need new people on the FPSE Development Committee
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@stlunite Phase two is moving forward. We're happy with the design which was approved and endorsed by the FPSE Development Committee.
More pics from WUMCRC
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@stlunite Phase two is moving forward. We're happy with the design which was approved and endorsed by the FPSE Development Committee.
More pics from WUMCRC
A redesigned Phase II could effectively block views of Phase I from 40 and Taylor Ave.
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This is Aventura Phase II: http://nextstl.com/central-corridor/ave ... k-phase-ii
It's not going to change.
It's not going to change.
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Honestly, a couple coats of paint on that eggshell / off-white cement board (that sure looks like vinyl siding) could change the entire dynamic of this project. It doesn't have to be brick-color red; in fact, coloring the tops of the different buildings multiple sharp colors could be incredible for the site (one Blue, one Green, one Yellow, etc.). But that off-white color as it is today reeks of cheapness.
I absolutely agree that it's great these buildings are being built with full amenities targeted towards professionals, especially those working in and around BJC & Cortex sites. New housing is very much welcome here. It's just that, does it really have to look like something out of Warrenton dropped in the middle of the City?
Aventura has a "great personality", but sure isn't much to look at. A little makeup could do wonders here...
I absolutely agree that it's great these buildings are being built with full amenities targeted towards professionals, especially those working in and around BJC & Cortex sites. New housing is very much welcome here. It's just that, does it really have to look like something out of Warrenton dropped in the middle of the City?
Aventura has a "great personality", but sure isn't much to look at. A little makeup could do wonders here...
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$3.5 million dollar 102-unit Phase II approved: http://stlnabedev.tumblr.com/.
1. Do the math.
2. $34, 000 housing units.
3. Cheap cheap.
4. Rent > $1,000/month.
5. Paid for in three years.
6. All that aspalt is a blue field on which grazes a mighty cash cow.
1. Do the math.
2. $34, 000 housing units.
3. Cheap cheap.
4. Rent > $1,000/month.
5. Paid for in three years.
6. All that aspalt is a blue field on which grazes a mighty cash cow.
^ wow that is some cheap housing right there. There should be city wide guidelines for building housing this cheap. Have we not learned from our buddies on Lindell?
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One bedroom, 750 sq. ft. apartments start at $1,150, while two bedrooms and 1,103 sq. ft. will cost $1,450
The permit value is never the real construction cost. Even if the contractor is honest on the buildings cost, that doesn't include the price of electric, plumbing, mechanicals, site work, and other misc. things. Still, a low price for the unit count. And saying it will be payed off in three years is just a bit of an oversimplification. I'll be interested to see if they can get the rents they want.
I guess they must have had a pretty strong initial reaction to Phase I if they are already putting the wheels in motion for Phase II. At least this bodes well for continued rehab and construction in the northern part of the Grove. Combined with CityWalk, there will be 379 new market rate apartments within 3 blocks of BJC pretty soon.
Whoa, just realized that if all else stays the same, this project alone will be responsible for a 9% population increase in Forest Park Southeast. Doesn't make up for the 21% decrease the neighborhood experienced in the last census, but at least the needle is moving in the right direction.
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^ Yep. Conversions of multi-family to single-family (and some demos?) will keep some downward pressure on the numbers, but another loss seems unlikely.
How 'bout that fence? What a great street wall. Compliments the other side of the street nicely.
Can you put a new fence in from of your house in FPSE? I think in Skinky-D you can't. Any that are there are grand fathered in.
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The new Aventura Apartments along Chouteau Avenue are really coming along, black fences and sod have been added!
Can you put a new fence in from of your house in FPSE? I think in Skinky-D you can't. Any that are there are grand fathered in.
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The new Aventura Apartments along Chouteau Avenue are really coming along, black fences and sod have been added!
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The difference is really that fences in front of homes still allow access, as do fences between homes. This Aventura Green Zone is another beast altogether.
it completes that minimum security prison look they were going for
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It's a basic figure-void relationship. Just think of it as a wall around the neighborhood to protect it from the people in the Aventura.
Lots of pics of Aventura from WUMCRC. Looks shiny and new on the inside and well fortified on the outside.
http://wumcrc.com/a-look-inside-aventur ... rest-park/
http://wumcrc.com/a-look-inside-aventur ... rest-park/
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Well, I didn't know they would have granite countertops... This. Changes. Everything. /snark
First reaction to the interior shots is:
1) Wow, there are almost no windows.
2) It's really dark.
3) Beige....everywhere.
4) Low ceilings.
It will be hard to turn these into desirable condo units down the road if the neighborhood gets hot. The upside to that, I suppose, is should that happen, maybe it's in a developer's best interest to tear it down and rebuild at that time. Maybe. But buildings have a sort of inertia.
1) Wow, there are almost no windows.
2) It's really dark.
3) Beige....everywhere.
4) Low ceilings.
It will be hard to turn these into desirable condo units down the road if the neighborhood gets hot. The upside to that, I suppose, is should that happen, maybe it's in a developer's best interest to tear it down and rebuild at that time. Maybe. But buildings have a sort of inertia.
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Have you guys seen the hideous wood fence they installed right next to the Laclede station house? It appears they tried to block the view of it. Ugly.
I realize that many of you do not like the design of Aventura at Forest Park. However, what is failing to be acknowledged is the good that this development is bringing to the community. Aventura is bringing 200+ residents to the neighborhood, which in turns means more eyes to the neighborhood. Aventura at Forest Park cares about the community and has shown it's support by sponsoring both the Tour De Grove and IndiHop. It has also given money to help fund the adjacent future city park. It is so easy to throw such mean stones, but there is no question that Aventura at Forest Park has helped the neighborhood in more ways than one. Also, to those neigh sayers that said they would never find people who wanted to rent there...last I heard they were 50% leased with just going live June 1st.
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^ Not true. The positives have been stated and repeated here, in the blog stories, etc. That's all great. The point is that the development is a heaping pile of architectural cow pie. That's just a fact. Will people live there? Sure. Are more people in the neighborhood a good thing? Yep. Did my mother-in-law think it looked nice? Yes again. So what? The critique all along has been that it's a huge missed opportunity to have built something better - and not some starchitecture crap, but just basic good urban infill.