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Post10:24 PM - Mar 01#1376

^I forgot about helicopter tours lol

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Post1:20 AM - Mar 02#1377

It will do a lot for the looks of downtown just having this place lit back up. It’s so dark over there

I always heard they used to be able to put words on this building by the lights since it’s so flat and rectangular, wonder if that will be part of the plan?

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Post1:35 AM - Mar 02#1378

I wonder if anyone has a picture, or for residential building would even be allowed to do that, I'm pretty sure they do it with the curtains on the hotel/casino

If they do I really wonder what they'll put on opening day, or at least the first time they show it.

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Post2:06 AM - Mar 03#1379

The Chinese would use 909 Chestnut
Photos show China’s low-cost lifestyle in vast, semiabandoned housing complexes
Here's a view of the development from space. Where you go, Pruitt Igoe.

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Post2:24 PM - Mar 03#1380

That's crazy.

We don't have enough affordable housing and they're basically giving it away.  (3 bedroom apartments going for $100/month.)

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Post4:36 PM - Mar 03#1381

^Yeah, but that's currency disparities as well as massive, massive, massive deficit spending. 

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Post4:52 PM - Mar 03#1382

gone corporate wrote:^Yeah, but that's currency disparities as well as massive, massive, massive deficit spending. 
Luckily, we don't have deficit spending.

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Post5:48 PM - Mar 03#1383

^Oh, we certainly do, and it's a ridiculous problem. Still, by current trajectories, China will be facing a true deficit crisis before the US does. Consider all the excessive spending that's taken place in cities, how many skyscrapers throughout China remain fully empty. And that's on top of the collapse of real estate development companies like China Evergrande Group, noting that much of their historic funding came from municipal revenue sources, which themselves are now in a crisis. 

Back on point: KMOV had an in-depth interview with Charles Goldman of the Goldman Group. A good watch. 

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Post3:25 AM - Mar 04#1384

Does anyone think that the exterior facade of the building will change?

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Post4:11 PM - Mar 04#1385

No, I expect it to remain intact.  There does seem to be some inclination to alter the landscape/hardscapes/sidewalk areas to make it more integrated with its surroundings.

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Post7:33 PM - Mar 04#1386

If they light up  the exterior in grand fashion, major changes to the exterior will not be as necessary. That being said, the building is bland, but a reclad would add way too much expense, as much as I would love to see the with much more glass. 

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Post7:57 PM - Mar 04#1387

spongboymebob00 wrote:Does anyone think that the exterior facade of the building will change?

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Pretty sure it can't change otherwise it would lose historic status for tax credits.

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Post8:13 PM - Mar 04#1388

Lighting wouldn't threaten its status. I'd expect to see some lighting at the crown and @ the central lobby. 

The granite and dark tint window look was so popular in the 80s.

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Post8:38 PM - Mar 04#1389

^ Sucks that we didn't build more towers in the 2000s when glass curtain wall became so popular. The One Cardinal way look (40 +stories) would done great things for the skyline. 

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Post9:17 PM - Mar 04#1390

DogtownBnR wrote:If they light up  the exterior in grand fashion, major changes to the exterior will not be as necessary. That being said, the building is bland, but a reclad would add way too much expense, as much as I would love to see the with much more glass. 
Yeah honestly if they can really change anything. I hope they change the glass color to Blue. would that be too much of a modification

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Post9:46 PM - Mar 04#1391

spongboymebob00 wrote:
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Does anyone think that the exterior facade of the building will change?

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Unlikely.  The state and federal tax credits being utilized by the developer would limit exterior modifications.  Past projects that we have completed have had strict requirements regarding exterior.  Replacement windows typically have to match exact original (wood with same details), mortar has to match original with mortar detail being provided, so on and so forth.  

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Post9:58 PM - Mar 04#1392

I agree at the least light up the building interior/exterior

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Post10:34 PM - Mar 04#1393

^Considering there's around 10 stories of just parking, I wonder if they would light up certain windows in a grid pattern to display words. it would be disappointing if a large section of the building was just dark.

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Post1:40 PM - Mar 05#1394

Join here https://www.futuremakersclub.org/join

Then rsvp for breakfast with Charles Goldman and Daniel Weisman and here about their downtown plans

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/breakfast- ... 4443133833

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Post10:37 PM - Mar 05#1395

DogtownBnR wrote:
7:33 PM - Mar 04
If they light up  the exterior in grand fashion, major changes to the exterior will not be as necessary. That being said, the building is bland, but a reclad would add way too much expense, as much as I would love to see the with much more glass. 
I was a fan of the "Beacon on Chestnut" concept years back. It is simple, but lighting goes a long way.

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Post11:10 PM - Mar 05#1396

THINK BIGGER
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Post11:30 PM - Mar 05#1397

^Both are nice, but that light rendering is amazing. Reminds me of the Bank of America tower in Dallas. 

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Post11:55 PM - Mar 05#1398

We need boldness like this in our skyline.


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Post1:27 AM - Mar 06#1399

^^ Was going to say the same.

I think they need to utilize that roof by packing it with amenities. Strip off the upper wrapping facade then add outdoor seating or lounges along with glassed in areas, all with views over the city.

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Post1:39 AM - Mar 06#1400

Ive noticed buildings in other cities do a much better job of coordinating architectural lighting. Kansas City does a tremendous job of this and it makes their skyline more pronounced than it really is (and gives them all those drone shots from Union Station that are a little bit misleading but make people impressed).

We obviously have some big holes with our large abandoned buildings downtown and the vacant lots north and south of downtown really hurt the depth of our prominence at night but it would be nice to get some more illumination

This is the perfect opportunity building to improve it

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