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Post4:33 AM - Feb 06#1351

PeterXCV wrote:Shiny gadgets make me skeptical. I've never seen anything like this and they say they have no experience with it?

"The redeveloped AT&T Tower would also use automated parking technology to move cars from the basement up to one of 10 floors of parking planned for the building, the first Goldman Group project to feature it."
Forward looking countries have them, backwards looking countries with no vision for a better future do not.

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Post2:15 PM - Feb 06#1353

amazing news! 👏👏👏

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Post8:47 PM - Feb 06#1354

A draft of new legislation is underway that would combine the office conversion subsidy with other incentives that could benefit downtowns and main streets across the state, according to a source with knowledge of the bill. The bill, yet to be filed, would call for state tax breaks for individuals relocating from other states to a downtown district, for companies that sign long-term leases and for investors that that put their money in downtown projects, as well as a fund that would help struggling rural communities. 
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Post9:10 PM - Feb 06#1356

Keeping my fingers crossed that this building can be redeveloped before we host those Olympic soccer games


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Post1:22 AM - Feb 07#1357

Got myself a clock from the building
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Post3:19 AM - Feb 07#1358

StlAlex wrote:
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PeterXCV wrote:Shiny gadgets make me skeptical. I've never seen anything like this and they say they have no experience with it?

"The redeveloped AT&T Tower would also use automated parking technology to move cars from the basement up to one of 10 floors of parking planned for the building, the first Goldman Group project to feature it."
Forward looking countries have them, backwards looking countries with no vision for a better future do not.

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I would say most developers and management companies don't have experience with elevators and escalators either.  That is why they hire companies to install them and maintain them.   Obviously car elevator less common but not a rarity as people might think.  

Simply put it is a cost thing in my mind.   Surface parking lot is cheap, a tilt up parking garage more expensive, underground parking even more expensive and from skratch to offer underground parking w automated system probably even more expensive.   In case of 909 Chestnut, I'm sure getting the structure & plenty of space for pennies on the dollars probably offsets the cost of the automated system vs  buying a nearby lot to build on and or a structure nearby for parking.  Might be just as costly to engineer, build and shore up the structure for adding ramps that was once office space.   Just not sure what a forward and a backward looking country has to do with it.   

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Post4:48 AM - Feb 07#1359

dredger wrote:
StlAlex wrote:
4:33 AM - Feb 06
PeterXCV wrote:Shiny gadgets make me skeptical. I've never seen anything like this and they say they have no experience with it?

"The redeveloped AT&T Tower would also use automated parking technology to move cars from the basement up to one of 10 floors of parking planned for the building, the first Goldman Group project to feature it."
Forward looking countries have them, backwards looking countries with no vision for a better future do not.

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I would say most developers and management companies don't have experience with elevators and escalators either.  That is why they hire companies to install them and maintain them.   Obviously car elevator less common but not a rarity as people might think.  

Simply put it is a cost thing in my mind.   Surface parking lot is cheap, a tilt up parking garage more expensive, underground parking even more expensive and from skratch to offer underground parking w automated system probably even more expensive.   In case of 909 Chestnut, I'm sure getting the structure & plenty of space for pennies on the dollars probably offsets the cost of the automated system vs  buying a nearby lot to build on and or a structure nearby for parking.  Might be just as costly to engineer, build and shore up the structure for adding ramps that was once office space.   Just not sure what a forward and a backward looking country has to do with it.   
The reason other countries can do things that America can't or doesn't is because they're countries that look forward and better themselves. America does not.

Why do you think India and Mexico can build high speed electrified rail while America can not? When you get down to the core issue, they have the will and look forward and better themselves. America does not.

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Post4:56 AM - Feb 07#1360

Leading counties in high speed rail don’t have to litigate With every town and homeowner


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Post5:05 AM - Feb 07#1361

moorlander wrote:Leading counties in high speed rail don’t have to litigate With every town and homeowner


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Oh wow America has an obtuse legal framework that it has no will to fix. It's almost like that's my point.

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Post5:41 AM - Feb 07#1362

moorlander wrote:
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Leading counties in high speed rail don’t have to litigate With every town and homeowner
At least somewhat agree with this. China will just build where they want and anyone in the way, too bad.

Not really sure what the answer is here. Especially in urban areas.

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Post2:54 PM - Feb 07#1363

jshank83 wrote:
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Leading counties in high speed rail don’t have to litigate With every town and homeowner
At least somewhat agree with this. China will just build where they want and anyone in the way, too bad.

Not really sure what the answer is here. Especially in urban areas.
Idk about that, I’ve seen plenty of examples of a random house in China and the road having to go around it
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Post3:04 PM - Feb 07#1364

I appreciate Goldman’s optimism about STL and the desire to get this done. The legislative setback next year doesn’t seem to have shaken him any. I continue to be curious by how the apartment layouts will be considering how large each floor is.

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Post6:08 PM - Feb 08#1365

Didn’t he help create this situation by saying it wasn't absolutely necessary in the media?

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Post7:39 PM - Feb 09#1367

This project can be a game-changer for Downtown & STL. Glad to hear that work is being done & cooperation between the State & local government is happening. I hope this gets done! 

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Post3:35 PM - Feb 26#1368

The latest local news piece on this redevelopment: https://www.firstalert4.com/2026/02/26/first-alert-forward-developer-bets-350-million-that-st-louis-largest-vacant-building-can-anchor-downtown-revival/

Goldman said the plan calls for programming more than 600 units and anticipates at least 1,200 residents living in the building. He described the concept as bringing everyday amenities — including a pharmacy and grocery store — within walking distance of residents inside the building.
If these ambitions were realized, that one tower would have more residents than all of Botanical Heights (1,196) and a bit less than Compton Heights (1,396).

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Post3:43 PM - Feb 26#1369

Does anyone know where the tax incentives are with the State? How long do we anticipate the incentives to take to move through the process & are the incentives likely to get passed?

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Post3:57 PM - Feb 26#1370

the same goes for all of the mega-projects downtown. Railway, AT&T, and Millenium all have included 600 units at some point in their plans. 

1,800 x 2 (avg HH size), maybe less, = 3,600 residents. Let's assume that all new residents come from out of downtown (for fun), that would be 9,100ish residents in downtown core. 

Now add Ballpark Heights, Wash Ave. reinvestments, Landing transformations, Spruce infill, Locust, and Mansion House renovations...Maybe BPV III... Could put the downtown core at 10K by 2035. 

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Post4:08 PM - Feb 26#1371

side note: noticed the building no longer has the flashing red alert lights on top of the building

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Post4:11 PM - Feb 26#1372

dylank wrote:the same goes for all of the mega-projects downtown. Railway, AT&T, and Millenium all have included 600 units at some point in their plans. 

1,800 x 2 (avg HH size), maybe less, = 3,600 residents. Let's assume that all new residents come from out of downtown (for fun), that would be 9,100ish residents in downtown core. 

Now add Ballpark Heights, Wash Ave. reinvestments, Landing transformations, Spruce infill, Locust, and Mansion House renovations...Maybe BPV III... Could put the downtown core at 10K by 2035. 
Average HH size in the city is 1.9, I feel like you'd have to assume downtown's average HH size, which is closer to 1.4.

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Post3:13 AM - Feb 27#1373

BarryGlick wrote:
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side note: noticed the building no longer has the flashing red alert lights on top of the building
Those have been off for at least several months now, if not longer. I would think that is some sort of FAA violation, but I'm far from an expert on that.

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Post4:09 AM - Mar 01#1374

^Not a professional, but I think that the flight restrictions near Arch grounds would prevent any flights from getting near the building?

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Post10:04 PM - Mar 01#1375

spongboymebob00 wrote:
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^Not a professional, but I think that the flight restrictions near Arch grounds would prevent any flights from getting near the building?

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