Didn’t realize it will have 10 townhomes facing Delmar. I kind of like the townhome thing for the first floor.
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Thats potentially a lot more cars on already tight Delmar Did the traffic circle west of this project help the present flow?
That traffic circle is great. I bike through there daily and am a big fan. Delmars lanes are so narrow though where it goes to 4 lanes just west of the circle, I really wish they’d cut it to 3 and put bike lanes in.
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jshank, can you share where you got the screenshot? was looking around but i can't find it.jshank83 wrote: ↑Aug 17, 2024Didn’t realize it will have 10 townhomes facing Delmar. I kind of like the townhome thing for the first floor.
https://www.ucitymo.org/DocumentCenter/ ... Y236DKdC7Aurban_dilettante wrote: ↑Aug 18, 2024jshank, can you share where you got the screenshot? was looking around but i can't find it.jshank83 wrote: ↑Aug 17, 2024Didn’t realize it will have 10 townhomes facing Delmar. I kind of like the townhome thing for the first floor.
I’ve been wanting Delmar from the loop to 170 to get a diet. Make it one lane each way. Turn lane. Bike lanes. Maybe it slows people down.jwisch wrote: ↑Aug 17, 2024That traffic circle is great. I bike through there daily and am a big fan. Delmars lanes are so narrow though where it goes to 4 lanes just west of the circle, I really wish they’d cut it to 3 and put bike lanes in.
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This is the project taking the Craft Alliance building? Glad to see the added density. Still a bit sore about that. But hopefully it will be a net positive.
I thought that if U City and Clayton go in together they could go all in & extend loop trolley tracks west and make left turn/head south into downtown Clayton but would also need to add modern low floor transit cars on a lot better schedule. Nimby's would hate it. Plus, have no idea of existing Loop trolley tracks/overhead/infrastructure would support modern low floor streetcars or if that is a whole other investment. Just see Delmar in either direction supporting as such and can't help to think how Tampa built upon the original Ybor Trolley.jshank83 wrote: ↑Aug 18, 2024I’ve been wanting Delmar from the loop to 170 to get a diet. Make it one lane each way. Turn lane. Bike lanes. Maybe it slows people down.jwisch wrote: ↑Aug 17, 2024That traffic circle is great. I bike through there daily and am a big fan. Delmars lanes are so narrow though where it goes to 4 lanes just west of the circle, I really wish they’d cut it to 3 and put bike lanes in.
I know we're all urbanist dreamers on some level but I can't understand how anyone on earth thinks extending the loop trolley is politically possible. We'll be lucky if they keep running it at all for more than a few years.
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Unfortunately, I agree; I think it's going to be shuttered.
It's terrible because it became such a pariah to so many people and I can't help but wonder how badly it has killed the idea of anything similar in the future for the St. Louis region.
I work in downtown Clayton and would love to catch a trolley during my lunch hour.
I think the County's transit dollars may be better served for downtown Clayton with a northbound extension of the blue line along I-170 to the airport, with additional stops at Ladue Rd., Delmar Blvd., Olive Blvd., Page Ave., St. Charles Rock Rd., and Natural Bridge Rd., before jumping onto the existing red line tracks.
That would be a roughly 6.5-mile extension.
In the future, as another poster mentioned in another thread, you could develop a Westport spur from the above extension, giving MetroLink riders at the downtown Clayton station four different potential directions they could ride -- downtown/Illinois, Shrewsbury, the airport, and Westport.
It's terrible because it became such a pariah to so many people and I can't help but wonder how badly it has killed the idea of anything similar in the future for the St. Louis region.
I work in downtown Clayton and would love to catch a trolley during my lunch hour.
I think the County's transit dollars may be better served for downtown Clayton with a northbound extension of the blue line along I-170 to the airport, with additional stops at Ladue Rd., Delmar Blvd., Olive Blvd., Page Ave., St. Charles Rock Rd., and Natural Bridge Rd., before jumping onto the existing red line tracks.
That would be a roughly 6.5-mile extension.
In the future, as another poster mentioned in another thread, you could develop a Westport spur from the above extension, giving MetroLink riders at the downtown Clayton station four different potential directions they could ride -- downtown/Illinois, Shrewsbury, the airport, and Westport.
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St. Louisans consider anything that makes driving and parking infinitesimally less convenient to be a pariah. People wanted the trolly to fail before it was even bulit because er ma gerd they might have to slow down on delmar. or there might be a handful fewer parking spaces. No, it's not public transit, but it could be better integrated at some point if it's not killed. There are other successful historic lines around the country that aren't modern transit.RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑Aug 21, 2024It's terrible because it became such a pariah to so many people and I can't help but wonder how badly it has killed the idea of anything similar in the future for the St. Louis region.
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I assume this project has secured financing? I’m curious why this one is ready to start but some other major projects are still stalled. Any insight?
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The tear down at Jefferson at Market for a hotel?
The purchase of the building that housed the long time pawn shop at olive at Jefferson for.........
The tear down at Jefferson at Market for a hotel?
The purchase of the building that housed the long time pawn shop at olive at Jefferson for.........
Risk tolerance, access to capital, and business plan after completion just to name a few. Every deal is different with different variables. The uncertainty of the current and future macro economic climate, the election, and what could be a more normalized interest environment make deals difficult to get done.dbehrens011 wrote: ↑Aug 22, 2024I assume this project has secured financing? I’m curious why this one is ready to start but some other major projects are still stalled. Any insight?
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As someone else said, the Trolley is not getting extended ever. But the track gage and electrification could support modern streetcar vehicles.dredger wrote: ↑Aug 21, 2024I thought that if U City and Clayton go in together they could go all in & extend loop trolley tracks west and make left turn/head south into downtown Clayton but would also need to add modern low floor transit cars on a lot better schedule. Nimby's would hate it. Plus, have no idea of existing Loop trolley tracks/overhead/infrastructure would support modern low floor streetcars or if that is a whole other investment. Just see Delmar in either direction supporting as such and can't help to think how Tampa built upon the original Ybor Trolley.jshank83 wrote: ↑Aug 18, 2024I’ve been wanting Delmar from the loop to 170 to get a diet. Make it one lane each way. Turn lane. Bike lanes. Maybe it slows people down.jwisch wrote: ↑Aug 17, 2024That traffic circle is great. I bike through there daily and am a big fan. Delmars lanes are so narrow though where it goes to 4 lanes just west of the circle, I really wish they’d cut it to 3 and put bike lanes in.
I think the best future for the trolley would be modern vehicles and some semblance of a schedule. It's so unfortunate that this ever got built as it isn't the best corridor for this type of thing and Metro was never on board with it. Now we will never get a downtown-Soulard or CWE streetcar because of it.
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Well my two year old thinks it’s the coolest thing ever, so I’ll thumb my nose at the nay sayers, 
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I hope this is the first major step toward University City embracing density in the Loop area.
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wish the rest of the terra cotta were being salvaged too.
I don't think people realize what an impact this building is going to have on the feel of the Loop. This thing is really big, and stretches the entire block.
