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PostMay 03, 2014#51

^ I think he teased about three different items in that one quote - the high rise tower, west county corporate expansion as well as follow up on some the St. Louis city industrial that is happening all in one reply

Goat, read Geoff's comments and replies on his nextstl post if you haven't found it already.

http://nextstl.com/2014/04/mallinckrodt ... /#comments

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PostMay 03, 2014#52


From modern-stl.com

A nice reminded of what used to be across the street. Also, you can see the Jackson Arms going up in the lower right corner.

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PostMay 03, 2014#53

^ Crazy. If you look very closely you can see Don Draper poolside with some hottie.

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PostMay 03, 2014#54

roger wyoming II wrote:^ Crazy. If you look very closely you can see Don Draper poolside with some hottie.
Yeah, but she's a nun.

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PostMay 03, 2014#55

Presbyterian wrote:
roger wyoming II wrote:^ Crazy. If you look very closely you can see Don Draper poolside with some hottie.
Yeah, but she's a nun.
That's no problem for Don.

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PostMay 03, 2014#56

My biggest reservation about this project is the article mentions the word "stucco"
This is of course a euphemism for EIFS (which is a euphemism for crap)

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PostMay 05, 2014#57

wabash wrote:
From modern-stl.com

A nice reminded of what used to be across the street. Also, you can see the Jackson Arms going up in the lower right corner.
Man, even though the parking lot is not an improvement, that complex was ugly as hell.

It's interesting to see the buildings that once stood on Maryland, before the West End Terrace apartments were built. I'm kind of amazed that complex hasn't been redeveloped.

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PostMay 05, 2014#58

Ugly? Maybe, but I think it could have been beautified and funktified into a really cool spot.

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PostMay 05, 2014#59

debaliviere wrote:It's interesting to see the buildings that once stood on Maryland, before the West End Terrace apartments were built. I'm kind of amazed that complex hasn't been redeveloped.
It's owned by Mills. It's also over 40 years old and looking like it. I have to wonder whether Mills will start replacing those buildings with a higher end product once the Whole Foods project is behind them.

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PostMay 05, 2014#60

That building still be a heck of a lot better than whats there right now... I don't think that building was beautiful or ugly its right in between

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PostMay 05, 2014#61

A remodeled San Luis would have been FAR cooler than a surface lot on Lindell in 2012... what are these alleged plans the archdiocese has for the site? Is this real or fake?
I hope they can get moving quickly on the Optimist.

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PostMay 06, 2014#62

I don't think this building is significant enough to be saved, especially when you look at what they want to put in.

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PostMay 06, 2014#64

^ great pic. It really gives some great context. Either an unique building in the right location or in the wrong location.

My first impression, the proposed replacement does a better job of creating an urban wall and fills out the corner much better as you go down Lindell. To me the optimist building just looks out of place at end of day. The only downfall about this proposal, hate to see things torn down in St. Louis when their so much room and surface lots for infill to take place.

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PostMay 06, 2014#65

Pop the Optimists building up on a trailer, roll it over to the parking lot across the street, profit.

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PostMay 08, 2014#66

CWE committee backs apartment tower
4 hours ago • By Tim Bryant



A developer's price of replacing a midcentury modern office building with an apartment tower might include the absence of taxpayer incentives for the Central West End project.

That's the trade off recommended today by the Central West End Development Committee, which is part of Park Central Development, the area's development corporation.

Covington Realty Partners, of Clayton, is proposing a $50 million, 14-story luxury apartment building at 4490 Lindell Boulevard. That's the site of the Optimist International headquarters, comprised of two structures, one built in 1961 with an addition completed in 1979.

Officials have said the Optimists are looking to relocate their 30 headquarters employees to a smaller building in the neighborhood.

Regardless, the Optimists building has it fans.

As a result, the development committee voted today not to support tax abatement or other public incentives for Covington's project, which, of course, includes demolition of the Optimists building.

According to Covington's plan, the new tower of brick, stone and stucco would have 220 apartments. Resident parking is planned on the first two levels or below grade. Plans for an outdoor deck include a pool.

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PostMay 08, 2014#67

I like these recommendations:

In addition to squelching the notion of public incentives, the development committee's other recommendations include:

• Get a city building permit for the apartment building before obtaining a demo permit for the Optimists building.

• Show that project financing is in place before getting a building permit.

• Substitute clad or aluminum windows for the vinyl windows proposed now.

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PostMay 08, 2014#68

^ good recommendations. I also see the committee recommended limited tax abatement on the Lawrence Group's Remington Rand Building conversion to residential/bank.... I think something like 100% for three years and 50% for two.

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PostMay 08, 2014#69

matguy70 wrote:
That's my pic! I took it from the top of the Pierre Chouteau!

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PostMay 19, 2014#70

I've heard this won't happen without tax-abatement. Seems strange not to provide it while the competition has been awarded it.

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PostMay 19, 2014#71

I think we should strive to get to the point where tax abatement isn't expected or necessary to get development done in the city. While I have no insight into the specifics for this development, I do think we should crank up the tax on surface parking lots significantly so that places like cathedral basilica or kindred will be forced to sell or put up a building at those sites.

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PostMay 19, 2014#72

So, we were supposed to hear about another residential high-rise last weekend (besides the Montgomery one in Clayton) but it didn't happen. Now, it didn't happen this weekend, either. Anybody know what's going on?

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PostMay 19, 2014#73

^ I don't think there was a specific timeline from Geoff on the apartment story.... I think you misinterpreted a promised article on North Riverfront industrial (which was posted) for residential.

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PostMay 19, 2014#74

Gateway City wrote:So, we were supposed to hear about another residential high-rise last weekend (besides the Montgomery one in Clayton) but it didn't happen. Now, it didn't happen this weekend, either. Anybody know what's going on?
Story probably won't go to print until more details are known or renderings are in hand. It sounds like a good scoop, but I think he wants to develop the story.

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PostMay 19, 2014#75

I'm on the edge of my seat here! I hope it's something bigger than this one, preferably closer in size to the Montgomery proposal. And I especially hope that's in the City, not Clayton. DT would be best. Drury? BPV? Skyhouse?

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