Love it. We need to reclaim our architectural mojo.
Yes its instagramable and will garner attention/praise. It is cool-looking.
The first few floors of urban buildings are critical in having the most impact on sidewalk activity and safety with glassfronts and doors. This one seems to be lacking in its treatment of pedestrians . It gives the impression of a sculptural fortress that promises to insulate you from the City around it.
The first few floors of urban buildings are critical in having the most impact on sidewalk activity and safety with glassfronts and doors. This one seems to be lacking in its treatment of pedestrians . It gives the impression of a sculptural fortress that promises to insulate you from the City around it.
It looks like it’s mostly glass storefront along the Manchester side.
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This is a more expensive building than the previous iterations. Was that prompted by some market evaluation, or just a desire to do something that will garner national recognition?
Or perhaps it will be all office and retail, no residential, and they found a tenant to lease the entire building at a premium?
Or perhaps it will be all office and retail, no residential, and they found a tenant to lease the entire building at a premium?
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This building will become just as iconic as the Grove sign for being an entrance/exit for the neighborhood's eastern edge.
Just a different design. No reason to think anything else with the plan has changed.urbanitas wrote:This is a more expensive building than the previous iterations. Was that prompted by some market evaluation, or just a desire to do something that will garner national recognition?
Or perhaps it will be all office and retail, no residential, and they found a tenant to lease the entire building at a premium?
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Had a conversation with Abdul from Park Central today. He said that the usages originally proposed are still included. Same number of apartments too. The cost, no reason to believe that it went up as a result of the redesign but we will know more very soon.
There is some reason. This design would require more custom materials and labor than the last Trivers design. That design appeared to be pretty standard, repetitive cast-in-place concrete construction, other than the wedge-shaped site plan.chriss752 wrote: Had a conversation with Abdul from Park Central today. He said that the usages originally proposed are still included. Same number of apartments too. The cost, no reason to believe that it went up as a result of the redesign but we will know more very soon.
This latest design looks like it is precast concrete, or a mix of cast-in-place and precast, with many different individual elements. Then there is the curved glazing throughout, and the concrete sculpture / alcove / tower, um, figurehead?, on the narrow side of the wedge.
Did they finish the piers, or are they still drilling?
It looks like they have one or two more to do. The one drill has moved to the center of the site and the rebar cages are dwindling. I thought I saw two still there but you never know.urbanitas wrote: Did they finish the piers, or are they still drilling?
A tower crane is supposed to be utilized for this but I can’t seem to find where. I guess we will find out soon
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It's going to be great to see another tower crane in midtown. Everywhere you look, there seems to be construction. It especially will look good in The Grove once the building starts rising 
I didn't post this here, although I thought I did a while ago, there are no more drills on the site. I don't know what's holding up the construction process at this point. I'll contact around to see if anything was brought up at the Park Central meeting last month that has slowed the process down, but I don't think that is the case. If there are any Pride events planned in the Grove this month, I could also see construction waiting till after those are completed.
My personal hope would be that the developer, architect, and dignitaries hold a formal groundbreaking before this starts to rise. It would be a great celebration to have especially since this will be architecturally significant.
FYI: No other building permit has been applied for or issued as of 6/16/19. That could change this week, but you never know.
My personal hope would be that the developer, architect, and dignitaries hold a formal groundbreaking before this starts to rise. It would be a great celebration to have especially since this will be architecturally significant.
FYI: No other building permit has been applied for or issued as of 6/16/19. That could change this week, but you never know.
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chriss752 wrote: I didn't post this here, although I thought I did a while ago, there are no more drills on the site. I don't know what's holding up the construction process at this point. I'll contact around to see if anything was brought up at the Park Central meeting last month that has slowed the process down, but I don't think that is the case. If there are any Pride events planned in the Grove this month, I could also see construction waiting till after those are completed.
My personal hope would be that the developer, architect, and dignitaries hold a formal groundbreaking before this starts to rise. It would be a great celebration to have especially since this will be architecturally significant.
FYI: No other building permit has been applied for or issued as of 6/16/19. That could change this week, but you never know.
I can’t see what you were trying to say @STLCityMike.STLCityMike wrote:chriss752 wrote: I didn't post this here, although I thought I did a while ago, there are no more drills on the site. I don't know what's holding up the construction process at this point. I'll contact around to see if anything was brought up at the Park Central meeting last month that has slowed the process down, but I don't think that is the case. If there are any Pride events planned in the Grove this month, I could also see construction waiting till after those are completed.
My personal hope would be that the developer, architect, and dignitaries hold a formal groundbreaking before this starts to rise. It would be a great celebration to have especially since this will be architecturally significant.
FYI: No other building permit has been applied for or issued as of 6/16/19. That could change this week, but you never know.
You will probably have to wait awhile on this one.chriss752 wrote: I didn't post this here, although I thought I did a while ago, there are no more drills on the site. I don't know what's holding up the construction process at this point. I'll contact around to see if anything was brought up at the Park Central meeting last month that has slowed the process down, but I don't think that is the case. If there are any Pride events planned in the Grove this month, I could also see construction waiting till after those are completed.
My personal hope would be that the developer, architect, and dignitaries hold a formal groundbreaking before this starts to rise. It would be a great celebration to have especially since this will be architecturally significant.
FYI: No other building permit has been applied for or issued as of 6/16/19. That could change this week, but you never know.
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Not sure why the 'quote' function is not not working, but I was trying to comment I was told by Grove area employees Manchester would be closed Friday, Saturday and Sunday during the last week of the month (Pride).
I figured that there would be a Pride-related event this month. Maybe the construction crews are waiting for that event to be completed so they can start on the actual construction. I guess we will see when the time comes.STLCityMike wrote:Not sure why the 'quote' function is not not working, but I was trying to comment I was told by Grove area employees Manchester would be closed Friday, Saturday and Sunday during the last week of the month (Pride).
Why do you say that? Just curious.urbanitas wrote: You will probably have to wait awhile on this one.
Many reasons, but the LCRA awarded this to Spencer, over qualified competitors, over 2 1/2 years ago. There have been multiple renderings issued since then, and the cost of this building has probably tripled from the estimate stated in the initial proposal. Add an end to Trivers' involvement, a complete redesign by a new architect - possibly after the foundation work had already begun - as well as an overall lack of transparency, and there are going to be questions about whether this project is viable. Obviously, every time the cost increases, he has to go back to his lenders / investors, or find new ones.chriss752 wrote:Why do you say that? Just curious.urbanitas wrote: You will probably have to wait awhile on this one.
This project, four different uses in a 7 story building, on a tight site, would be tough to pull off even for an experienced developer with a solid track record like Koman or Restoration.
I'd guess Spencer will have to find a development partner to move this forward, if he hasn't yet.
FYI: The foundations drilled followed the new pattern for the new design. The latest design was finalized in Mid-February of this year and the plans were sent to the contractor after. According to my contacts, Spencer has been in contact with investors and most are in favor of the redesign.
Anyone been by lately? Would be interested to know if construction is actually happening. There's been little mention of the redesign outside of this forum.
Nothing new on the building permit records.aprice wrote:Anyone been by lately? Would be interested to know if construction is actually happening. There's been little mention of the redesign outside of this forum.
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For what it's worth I traced that rendering to Sam Franklin Marshall Design, a small Malibu-based firm. They appear to have new renderings on their "In Process" page: http://samfranklinmarshall.com/mixed-us ... uzy7g4uh0s
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Wow, the building from that angle looks fantastic!mitchxmack wrote: For what it's worth I traced that rendering to Sam Franklin Marshall Design, a small Malibu-based firm. They appear to have new renderings on their "In Process" page: http://samfranklinmarshall.com/mixed-us ... uzy7g4uh0s
Great find. But I don’t think that the project that are showing is 4101 Manchester. The site shown is way too large and the buildings surrounding it are not there. I could be wrong but the two carry similar designs.mitchxmack wrote:For what it's worth I traced that rendering to Sam Franklin Marshall Design, a small Malibu-based firm. They appear to have new renderings on their "In Process" page: http://samfranklinmarshall.com/mixed-us ... uzy7g4uh0s
Interesting renderings found...
Recent design...
The architect is definitely the same firm but I think they put the wrong renderings up. This is backed up by the fact that the “new” design renderings have a date stamp of September 1st, 2016. The latest design, posted a few pages ago, has a time stamp of February 26th, 2019. So at least you cracked the code on the architect