^ That's what I was going to say Chris, but the buildings look so similar that I thought that maybe they were the same.
Very similar design, especially the curved walls. Maybe it was an earlier design. This rendering, that we have all seen, is on the homepage of that firm. So if confirms that the firm is them.Elek.borrelli wrote:^ That's what I was going to say Chris, but the buildings look so similar that I thought that maybe they were the same.
Extra brownie points to mitchxmack for finding the firm!
Those renderings are posted on the 'In Process' page, under "Mixed Use Space, St. Louis", and it is the correct number of floors, so it must be 4101 Manchester. Odd though, if that date is correct, that would be the same time the RFP went out. There is also something titled "Piney Observatory, St. Louis", with no renderings.chriss752 wrote:Great find. But I don’t think that the project that are showing is 4101 Manchester. The site shown is way too large and the buildings surrounding it are not there. I could be wrong but the two carry similar designs.mitchxmack wrote:For what it's worth I traced that rendering to Sam Franklin Marshall Design, a small Malibu-based firm. They appear to have new renderings on their "In Process" page: http://samfranklinmarshall.com/mixed-us ... uzy7g4uh0s
Interesting renderings found...
The architect is definitely the same firm but I think they put the wrong renderings up. This is backed up by the fact that the “new” design renderings have a date stamp of September 1st, 2016. The latest design, posted a few pages ago, has a time stamp of February 26th, 2019. So at least you cracked the code on the architect
It should also be noted that this is a design firm, primarily restaurant design. I don't see any new construction on his completed projects page.
Urbanitas, you are right about the timeframe about the RFP issued. So it makes me wonder why Spencer Development would hire to Architects simultaneously and keep Trivers up until recently. Seems interesting.
And if there are any doubters, I think this project will happen.
And if there are any doubters, I think this project will happen.
It is not unusual for a project to have a design firm, a design architect, and an architectural firm, working together. The former create a preliminary concept, including design theme and criteria, sketches, drawings, and / or models, while the latter turns the concept into something which can be built within the stated budget, and then leads the permit and construction document preparation process.chriss752 wrote: Urbanitas, you are right about the timeframe about the RFP issued. So it makes me wonder why Spencer Development would hire to Architects simultaneously and keep Trivers up until recently. Seems interesting.
And if there are any doubters, I think this project will happen.
Most likely*chriss752 wrote:mitchxmack wrote:For what it's worth I traced that rendering to Sam Franklin Marshall Design, a small Malibu-based firm. They appear to have new renderings on their "In Process" page: http://samfranklinmarshall.com/mixed-us ... uzy7g4uh0s
The architect is definitely the same firm
Chris really likes to make assumptions of design firms based on the design e.g. the Studio Gang comment earlier in this thread.
Yes, 99.9% chance this is the same firm, the resemblances are thorough. But unless you know for sure, don't use the word "definitely"
The homepage of the firm’s website shows 4101 Manchester in the current design. So I can say that this is the firm.aprice wrote:Most likely*chriss752 wrote:mitchxmack wrote:For what it's worth I traced that rendering to Sam Franklin Marshall Design, a small Malibu-based firm. They appear to have new renderings on their "In Process" page: http://samfranklinmarshall.com/mixed-us ... uzy7g4uh0s
The architect is definitely the same firm
Chris really likes to make assumptions of design firms based on the design e.g. the Studio Gang comment earlier in this thread.
Yes, 99.9% chance this is the same firm, the resemblances are thorough. But unless you know for sure, don't use the word "definitely"
There ya go.chriss752 wrote:
The homepage of the firm’s website shows 4101 Manchester in the current design. So I can say that this is the firm.
^^^Also, just because the rendering is on his website doesn't tell you how much, or which parts, of the design may be his. All we really know is that Sam Marshall sure does love to ensconce trees.
There were 5 sunshine law requests submitted on this property on 8/1/19, and resolved the next day (or possibly one request mistakenly entered 5 times) under Citizen Service Bureau data, which I didn't even know would appear on the property database until just now...
I have considered submitting one myself, just have not gotten around to it.
I have considered submitting one myself, just have not gotten around to it.
It's been almost 3 years since the LCRA selected Spencer to redevelop this wedge site from among competition of the Koman Group - Green Street Development team and a King Realty Advisors - Simpson Closser Development team. I do not believe he has even filed for a construction permit yet (aside from the drilled piers).
Update on this: Matt Spencer has been in talks with the lenders and will close on the updated financial package in the next two weeks. The design of the building is also being finalized. The drawings still have to be stamped by the Building Commissioner before construction can start. If all goes well, and it appears to be, we could see construction resume sometime in early October.
An interesting thing, each floor will have a different ceiling height.
An interesting thing, each floor will have a different ceiling height.
^Is this information from Matt Spencer, Park Central, or someone else?
That came from his brother.urbanitas wrote:^Is this information from Matt Spencer, Park Central, or someone else?
^Right, figures...speaking of which, what ever happened to his Dogwood catering business / event space rehab on Manchester? It was supposed to open in March, but as of a few weeks ago that 1-story building did not look like it has been touched in a long time.
I still want to know what design they're going with. A Park Central agenda with an item titled "New Rendering" isn't a whole lot to go off of here.
The crazy design is what’s supposed to be built.aprice wrote:I still want to know what design they're going with. A Park Central agenda with an item titled "New Rendering" isn't a whole lot to go off of here.
Building permit was applied for at the end of August. Has yet to be issued. Once it’s issued, construction will begin.urbanitas wrote:^Right, figures...speaking of which, what ever happened to his Dogwood catering business / event space rehab on Manchester? It was supposed to open in March, but as of a few weeks ago that 1-story building did not look like it has been touched in a long time.
Especially when that rendering comes from a guy whose CV is all residential and restaurant interior design.aprice wrote: I still want to know what design they're going with. A Park Central agenda with an item titled "New Rendering" isn't a whole lot to go off of here.
Maybe the development "team" or the architectural firm will release some new renderings on their respective websites soon...oh, right...
From Geo St. Louis:
I guess this is for the garage and retail podium.
| Project Type: | Alteration |
| Application Number: | 552222 |
| Application Date: | 09/09/2019 |
| Structure Type: | Commercial |
| Estimated Costs: | $3,200,000.00 |
| Contractor: | PARAMOUNT PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT |
| Application Description: | STRUCTURAL CONCRETE PER PLANS |
Interesting. Paramount Property Development, on Google, is listed at 4321 Manchester. At least we will finally see some movement on this site.urbanitas wrote:From Geo St. Louis:
I guess this is for the garage and retail podium.
Project Type: Alteration Application Number: 552222 Application Date: 09/09/2019 Structure Type: Commercial Estimated Costs: $3,200,000.00 Contractor: PARAMOUNT PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT Application Description: STRUCTURAL CONCRETE PER PLANS
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Alterations means there is something existing to alter...which this side doesn’t have but that could be a typo by the zoning staffurbanitas wrote:From Geo St. Louis:
I guess this is for the garage and retail podium.
Project Type: Alteration Application Number: 552222 Application Date: 09/09/2019 Structure Type: Commercial Estimated Costs: $3,200,000.00 Contractor: PARAMOUNT PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT Application Description: STRUCTURAL CONCRETE PER PLANS
