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beer city wrote: ↑

Sep 08, 2021

Census has migration data out - Domestically we are losing to the usual suspects - Sunbelt cities - Springfield Mo is the number one destination from StL metro, we get the biggest influx from Chicago 

 https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2018 ... ation.html

https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/where ... -the-most/

3 cities on that list where kids from here go to college - Springfield, CoMo and Cape

Not sure if it's been posted here already, but the numbers by neighborhood are out:
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... esults.cfm

kipfilet wrote:Not sure if it's been posted here already, but the numbers by neighborhood are out:
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... esults.cfm

After all that development on Pershing in the past decade, the Debaliviere Place neighborhood gained less than 200 new residents? Something seems off.

As for the decline in some neighborhoods, some are brutal to look at. Baden, Greater Ville, and O’Fallon stuck out to me the most.

The Census was before Chelsea had move-ins, so only Tribeca contributed to new housing units.

quincunx wrote: ↑

Sep 13, 2021

The Census was before Chelsea had move-ins, so only Tribeca contributed to new housing units.

I thought the Annex at 275 was built in the past decade. If so, that would make two new apartment buildings. But I guess Tribeca was really only it. 2030 will show a more significant increase.

Oh, right, forgot about that one. The City's numbers shows 227 more housing units in DeBaliviere Place. The property records say 82 units in the Annex and 160 in Tribeca or 242 more. Wonder where some were lost? Condo combining? Rehabs of an existing apt building(s) with fewer units?

quincunx wrote:Oh, right, forgot about that one. The City's numbers shows 227 more housing units in DeBaliviere Place. The property records say 82 units in the Annex and 160 in Tribeca or 242 more. Wonder where some were lost? Condo combining? Rehabs of an existing apt building(s) with fewer units?

My bigger question is how did Skinker DeBaliviere see a 20% increase in vacant units? Not sure I buy that


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55 fewer housing units total in SD? Despite the new homes on 5700 McPherson. Did WUSTL's apt rehabs reduce the number of units?

Downtown + Dt west continue to pretty much match the city as the most diverse neighborhoods (you’ll see this income data too)

Downtown + west
44.6% white
42.6% black
4.8% Hispanic
4.2% Asian
2.1 % other
1.7% 2 or more

292 vacant housing units in SD? Where?
55 fewer housing units total in SD? Despite the new homes on 5700 McPherson. Did WUSTL's apt rehabs reduce the number of units?

dbInSouthCity wrote:Downtown + Dt west continue to pretty much match the city as the most diverse neighborhoods (you’ll see this income data too)

Downtown + west
44.6% white
42.6% black
4.8% Hispanic
4.2% Asian
2.1 % other
1.7% 2 or more

Question. The new to the city does apply here for me … Do you guys divide downtown to downtown west and regular downtown? Ok I might have more than one question. Compared to previous census how demographics changed in diversity? I see almost 5% Hispanic but only know or met like 3 … did it increased? Did any of them decreased? Or better yet is there like a table that I can see this so I don’t ask too many questions?


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JJ Rivera wrote: ↑

Sep 13, 2021

dbInSouthCity wrote:Downtown + Dt west continue to pretty much match the city as the most diverse neighborhoods (you’ll see this income data too)

Downtown + west
44.6% white
42.6% black
4.8% Hispanic
4.2% Asian
2.1 % other
1.7% 2 or more

Question. The new to the city does apply here for me … Do you guys divide downtown to downtown west and regular downtown? Ok I might have more than one question. Compared to previous census how demographics changed in diversity? I see almost 5% Hispanic but only know or met like 3 … did it increased? Did any of them decreased? Or better yet is there like a table that I can see this so I don’t ask too many questions?


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https://t.co/XPxArvQSav?amp=1

Hispanic increased by 300 people. It accounted for about 11% of the overall increase

Downtown and downtown west are officially 2 different neighborhoods but for most purposes it’s one area from River to Jefferson from Cole to Chouteau Ave is “Downtown”

Greater downtown goes to Cass to the north.

dbInSouthCity wrote:

JJ Rivera wrote: ↑

Sep 13, 2021

dbInSouthCity wrote:Downtown + Dt west continue to pretty much match the city as the most diverse neighborhoods (you’ll see this income data too)

Downtown + west
44.6% white
42.6% black
4.8% Hispanic
4.2% Asian
2.1 % other
1.7% 2 or more

Question. The new to the city does apply here for me … Do you guys divide downtown to downtown west and regular downtown? Ok I might have more than one question. Compared to previous census how demographics changed in diversity? I see almost 5% Hispanic but only know or met like 3 … did it increased? Did any of them decreased? Or better yet is there like a table that I can see this so I don’t ask too many questions?


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https://t.co/XPxArvQSav?amp=1

Downtown and downtown west are officially 2 different neighborhoods but for most purposes it’s one area from River to Jefferson from Cole to Chouteau Ave is “Downtown”

Greater downtown goes to Cass to the north.

Thanks!


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Despite the losses, it’s heartening to see that Columbus Square, Vandeventer and the West End grew. Can anyone close to those neighborhoods explain what’s driving the growth?

BellaVilla wrote:Despite the losses, it’s heartening to see that Columbus Square, Vandeventer and the West End grew. Can anyone close to those neighborhoods explain what’s driving the growth?

For West End, it’s Wash U.


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The census isn't accurate.  I spoke with a census employee who was canvassing one of our apartment communities.  Non-respondents are not counted.  She was hoping for a 70%-80% response rate in central corridor and south city.  I believe both areas are significantly undercounted. 

They publicly released the numbers by county for how many housing units had responded. No one thinks the census is a perfectly accurate count but it is the most accurate we are going to get, and certainly more accurate than the horrible ACS estimates.

I’d take ACS counts over census any day, especially years 3-10 after the census is taken.

Well no one thinks that the census numbers are going to hold for 10 years, and ACS estimates are useful to some degree. But the census results just released were fundamentally at odds with the ACS numbers, pointing to systemic modeling issues within ACS that overestimated growth in the sunbelt and population losses in the north.

SeattleNative wrote: ↑

Sep 14, 2021

BellaVilla wrote:Despite the losses, it’s heartening to see that Columbus Square, Vandeventer and the West End grew. Can anyone close to those neighborhoods explain what’s driving the growth?

For West End, it’s Wash U.


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Sure, I should have been more specific. Considering that there have been no major multi-family developments in that neighborhood (that I can recall), have there been a lot of rehabs of existing and single and multi-family buildings?

The Everly is in the West End.

Ahh, I see it is. Thanks, quin!