^ Hey - mind if I add this to the blog story?
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Even though I am somewhat torn as i lean against new big attractions downtown which only draw people a few days out of the year, the possibilities here make it just too exciting not to think about.
Wouldn't it be better oriented 90 degrees from the way you have it rendered, you might be able to preserve the drury building. That nub on the end of the dynamo stadium should be able to be pointed any direction possibly even hidden under Market.
Wouldn't it be better oriented 90 degrees from the way you have it rendered, you might be able to preserve the drury building. That nub on the end of the dynamo stadium should be able to be pointed any direction possibly even hidden under Market.
If you turn that 90 degrees, you spare the Drury and parking garage, an east west orientation is more desired for day games. of course you would the entire Pine street ramps, but I seem to recall those going away as part of Northside?geoffksu wrote:Looking at the newest (and potentially greatest) MLS stadium site (BBVA Compass Stadium in Houston) it takes up an approximately 1000' x 600' plat of land and looking at potential sites near the Union Station the only potential site (in my opinion) is directly west of the Union Station on Market and bordering the relocated 21st Interchange ramps.
Positives for this site:
-Visibility from I-64
-Visibility on Market
-Economic development potential at Union Station and surrounding locale
-Development of MetroLink stop at the stadium (or directly underneath the stadium like Brooklyn's new stadium)
-Adjacent parking at Union Station and ease of access to I-64
Negatives for this site:
-Need to acquire 5 individual parcels and acquire MoDOT Right-of-Way
-Site may still be too tight for proposed stadium and related features/functions
-Need to develop parking structure for 20,000 seat capacity
To integrate with Union Station, one could imagine the facade of the Stadium facing Market would be identical in character to the Union Station facade but could be a more contemporary take on it.
But this is just one's vision...
I don't care - if you or Joe ever need any help with graphics, GIS data, whatever - let me know.Alex Ihnen wrote:^ Hey - mind if I add this to the blog story?
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geoffksu wrote:Looking at the newest (and potentially greatest) MLS stadium site (BBVA Compass Stadium in Houston) it takes up an approximately 1000' x 600' plat of land and looking at potential sites near the Union Station the only potential site (in my opinion) is directly west of the Union Station on Market and bordering the relocated 21st Interchange ramps.
Positives for this site:
-Visibility from I-64
-Visibility on Market
-Economic development potential at Union Station and surrounding locale
-Development of MetroLink stop at the stadium (or directly underneath the stadium like Brooklyn's new stadium)
-Adjacent parking at Union Station and ease of access to I-64
Negatives for this site:
-Need to acquire 5 individual parcels and acquire MoDOT Right-of-Way
-Site may still be too tight for proposed stadium and related features/functions
-Need to develop parking structure for 20,000 seat capacity
To integrate with Union Station, one could imagine the facade of the Stadium facing Market would be identical in character to the Union Station facade but could be a more contemporary take on it.
But this is just one's vision...
Now THAT is impressive. Well done. I still think you could reposition it a bit more to the west and restructure the 22nd Street interchange into a 20th Street interchange, which would put traffic right into that area. Just my opinion.
And I imagine that this is the reason to put the stadium south of Union Station.Alex Ihnen wrote:FYI - past vision for this interchange:
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^ Could be. If what we see above actually happens, it would be great. Union Station suffers most because it's dead on four sides: Gateway Mall, vacant lots & 22nd St. interchange, I-64 and the block monolith USPS. As with many issues in the city (the Arch, ahem), addressing the edges is absolutely critical.
I hate to add more elements to this, but according to a reputable source of mine who has spoken with LHM, they are apparently trying to lure Nordstrom and other anchors that would be found in the suburban malls. The food court is to remain in place. Not sure if this has been brought up here, but haven't we learned our lesson on malls in the city?
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^ I thought we had learned our lesson on malls in the suburbs (Crestwood, NW Plaza, Jamestown...).
^ and I think the new owners/developer of NW PLaza are the only one with a plan that is realistic about retail and doable as they intend to tear down a good portion of the mall and keep the existing office tower if not mistaken.
Alex, I believe the 22nd interchange proposal that is being posted is part of McKee's northside plan. Is that correct? I think it is by far the best part of the northside plan and wish somehow, someway it can be extracted from the current court/northside mess. Downtown St. Louis as well as Union Station development would make a big step forward if the current interchange could be torn up and some resemblence of the former street grid is put back in place. Believe city and MoDOT already have agreement in place and MoDOT has half the funding set aside. Just not sure how long MoDOT is going to hold the funding if it hasn't committed it somewhere else already.
Alex, I believe the 22nd interchange proposal that is being posted is part of McKee's northside plan. Is that correct? I think it is by far the best part of the northside plan and wish somehow, someway it can be extracted from the current court/northside mess. Downtown St. Louis as well as Union Station development would make a big step forward if the current interchange could be torn up and some resemblence of the former street grid is put back in place. Believe city and MoDOT already have agreement in place and MoDOT has half the funding set aside. Just not sure how long MoDOT is going to hold the funding if it hasn't committed it somewhere else already.
22nd St interchange redo is listed under Planning/future projects on the MODOT page. I suppose they'd what for a development plan to coordinate with.
http://www.modot.mo.gov/stlouis/major_p ... pdates.htm
There's a "future connector road" accounted for in the Jefferson Ave Bridge replacement plan. So one exit and entrance ramp at Jefferson and one exit and entrance ramp at 22nd?
http://www.modot.mo.gov/stlouis/major_p ... isplay.pdf
http://www.modot.mo.gov/stlouis/major_p ... pdates.htm
There's a "future connector road" accounted for in the Jefferson Ave Bridge replacement plan. So one exit and entrance ramp at Jefferson and one exit and entrance ramp at 22nd?
http://www.modot.mo.gov/stlouis/major_p ... isplay.pdf
^ Don't really think the connector is a bad option.
What I think is the failure is not having Clark street as through street under the shed and connecting all the way through in any of the proposals and ideas floated. That, and not daylight and moving the metrolink stop under the shed.
What I think is the failure is not having Clark street as through street under the shed and connecting all the way through in any of the proposals and ideas floated. That, and not daylight and moving the metrolink stop under the shed.
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Last night on KMOX, Chris Kerber mentioned the USMNT games coming up, then
went on the mention that an article on NEXTSTL contains information on a project
at Union Station, that may include an MLS stadium. He told listeners to go to
the site and take a look at the article. Great plug for the site and he didn't call
it a "hipster forum"!
Regarding this proposal, does the fact that the developer is considering an
MLS stadium, mean MLS is considering St. Louis or would consider STL for
expansion? Will that league expand any time soon. I have not heard that the
league is expanding further at this time. Then again, I haven't followed
any stories on MLS expansion, since we lost the Collinsville and Hadley
deals, too depressing. I wonder if I local group is looking to bring a
team here. Why would the developer even consider building a stadium, if
they didn't have a possible ownership group?? I am not aware of any deep-
pocket multi-millionaire/billionaire locally, that is looking to invest in
MLS. If you know of any, please feel free to share that info.
went on the mention that an article on NEXTSTL contains information on a project
at Union Station, that may include an MLS stadium. He told listeners to go to
the site and take a look at the article. Great plug for the site and he didn't call
it a "hipster forum"!
Regarding this proposal, does the fact that the developer is considering an
MLS stadium, mean MLS is considering St. Louis or would consider STL for
expansion? Will that league expand any time soon. I have not heard that the
league is expanding further at this time. Then again, I haven't followed
any stories on MLS expansion, since we lost the Collinsville and Hadley
deals, too depressing. I wonder if I local group is looking to bring a
team here. Why would the developer even consider building a stadium, if
they didn't have a possible ownership group?? I am not aware of any deep-
pocket multi-millionaire/billionaire locally, that is looking to invest in
MLS. If you know of any, please feel free to share that info.
It seems to be the general understanding that the MLS' 20th team will be in New York in 2016. Expansion beyond that is undetermined.
See http://aol.sportingnews.com/soccer/stor ... am-in-2016
Other than Jeff Cooper's attempt a few years ago, I am unaware of any serious movement on the part of potential owners to apply for a MLS franchise in St. Louis. However, per the comments above, it seems odd to undertake a stadium study without some interest on the part of potential owners.
See http://aol.sportingnews.com/soccer/stor ... am-in-2016
Other than Jeff Cooper's attempt a few years ago, I am unaware of any serious movement on the part of potential owners to apply for a MLS franchise in St. Louis. However, per the comments above, it seems odd to undertake a stadium study without some interest on the part of potential owners.
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I see your point, but given that MLS has essentially said they're unwilling to look at any cities without stadiums specifically slated for soccer and soccer alone, starting with a plan to build a stadium doesn't seem too terribly much like putting the cart before the horse. There are a lot of steps that will need to happen, but given that a stadium is a clear part of it, I think it's time to get started.StL317 wrote:It seems to be the general understanding that the MLS' 20th team will be in New York in 2016. Expansion beyond that is undetermined.
See http://aol.sportingnews.com/soccer/stor ... am-in-2016
Other than Jeff Cooper's attempt a few years ago, I am unaware of any serious movement on the part of potential owners to apply for a MLS franchise in St. Louis. However, per the comments above, it seems odd to undertake a stadium study without some interest on the part of potential owners.
I'm no great soccer fan as it were, but the plan is intriguing nonetheless.
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LHM is unaware of an effort to build a stadium at the site. Owner of LHM says he "has not talked to anyone about it" according to most recent Building Blocks article on StLToday.com
Last night KSDK said the owners weren't considering a soccer stadium as well.
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/342526 ... edeveloped
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/342526 ... edeveloped
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So, if they are "not considering" a soccer venue, where did that info come from? Who told NextSTL that this is being considered?
Is LHM holding back, to avoid hype, in case the project does not become reality?
Maybe they are keeping things under wrap, until this project is further along in the process. Who knows! I'd love to see a stadium there, but it seemed unlikely.
Where would 20K fans park??
Is LHM holding back, to avoid hype, in case the project does not become reality?
Maybe they are keeping things under wrap, until this project is further along in the process. Who knows! I'd love to see a stadium there, but it seemed unlikely.
Where would 20K fans park??
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^ Perhaps the same places as people currently do for a downtown game?
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There is such an overabundance of downtown parking it's hard to imagine that being an issue.
But we still come back to the recent insistence that LHM has no plans for this at all. And, frankly, it does seem a bit more big and revolutionary than LHM has, up to this point, been with their projects.
I suppose time will tell if they're just being sly or if this idea came out of nowehere. I imagine Alex won't share his source, but I sure would be interested to hear from him whether he buys what LHM is publicly saying or not.
But we still come back to the recent insistence that LHM has no plans for this at all. And, frankly, it does seem a bit more big and revolutionary than LHM has, up to this point, been with their projects.
I suppose time will tell if they're just being sly or if this idea came out of nowehere. I imagine Alex won't share his source, but I sure would be interested to hear from him whether he buys what LHM is publicly saying or not.
But this is also their biggest purchase in their portfolio. LHM is loading up on hotel rooms for the cheap. And they knew before purchasing US that they would have to do something "big and revolutionary"; I just hope its the stadium.insomniacafe wrote:But we still come back to the recent insistence that LHM has no plans for this at all. And, frankly, it does seem a bit more big and revolutionary than LHM has, up to this point, been with their projects.
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Very true.stlien wrote:But this is also their biggest purchase in their portfolio. LHM is loading up on hotel rooms for the cheap. And they knew before purchasing US that they would have to do something "big and revolutionary"; I just hope its the stadium.insomniacafe wrote:But we still come back to the recent insistence that LHM has no plans for this at all. And, frankly, it does seem a bit more big and revolutionary than LHM has, up to this point, been with their projects.