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Post5:39 PM - 20 days ago#501

Im pretty left wing, don't read or listen to any of the sites you mention and I think Data centers in STL would be great. Some reasonable limits sure, but to ban them is a massive mistake IMO. 

Imagine if we could do anything like this story for people. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/23/us/l ... venue.html

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Post6:04 PM - 20 days ago#502

ok? i didn't say that anybody who supports them is buying the propaganda. i said that there is no wide-spread propaganda campaign driving the overwhelming opposition to data centers. that is a fabrication. what are the reasonable limits you propose? and how do you propose to enforce them once these multibillion dollar monoliths backed by oligarchs have been deployed all over the place and all of our infrastructure modified to support them? i can't read the NYT article (not that I trust much coming out of the NYT these days, either) but short-term bonuses in exchange for long-term environmental and community destruction sounds like exactly the kind of deception i would expect from these vultures.

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Post6:37 PM - 20 days ago#504

The data center backlash is huge. But the boom is bigger. Even as local bans mount, capacity keeps expanding at a dizzying pace. And that's not changing anytime soon. The buildout will continue until morale improves (or demand for compute collapses) 

https://twitter.com/EricLevitz/status/2094783223695892579

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Post7:04 PM - 19 days ago#505

It will continue until it can't, which will occur when (a) it hits real resource restraints due to war and trade, or (b) one of the major players propping up the finance circuit collapses from its own weight. OpenAI is the most obvious candidate, but all of these companies (with the possible exceptions of Microsoft and Alphabet) are cooking their books Enron-style so its impossible to say for certain. If B doesn't happen first on its own, then A will surely trigger it.

That said, every corner of the economy is now fully financialized and most major government programs have already been privatized to some degree (the two pillars of neoliberalism beginning with Carter and reaching its peak with Obama), so all of Western Capitalism is dependent the AI/Data Center buildout. It's literally the only thing happening, other than monopolization via M&A activity, which itself is under growing backlash occurring quietly within governments and NGOs rather than via angry mobs at local townhalls (and those aren't far behind if food prices keep rising).  

If this bubble bursts its the end of our current world order. Unless of course they can roll-out the actual murderbots in time to suppress the human unrest that will result.

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Post7:23 PM - 19 days ago#506

I will bet you $1,000 to your favorite charity an AI bubble popping (if that even occurs) does not lead to the end of the world.

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Post7:45 PM - 19 days ago#507

It's insane how little people know about how entirely dependent the economy is right now on hopes and prayers that these companies will manage to make enough of a profit "someday" to pay off trillions of dollars in debt. Who do you think is paying that money? If we are even assuming it is possible to pay off that debt.

Beyond a surface level look at their debt and revenue projections, the vast majority of what AI is being used to do is objectively bad for humans and the real economy. But I assume most of this forum is too removed from that to have any grasp at all of the real harm happening.

Have we even considered the immense drain on natural resources these are? Think about how much good things all the steel, concerte, and labor could have been used for.....fixing our infrastructure, new housing, new office/retail/entertainment that people actually want, building new infrastructure God forbid....but now all the proponents of good things have to compete with a massive bad thing fully backed by the world's richest people, who can easily pay for the inflated cost due to their insane demand.

Do some critical thinking.

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Post8:16 PM - 19 days ago#508

mjbais1489 wrote:
7:23 PM - 19 days ago
I will bet you $1,000 to your favorite charity an AI bubble popping (if that even occurs) does not lead to the end of the world.
Nobody said anything about the end of the world, only the end of the 40-year status quo, which itself will be pretty catastrophic for everyone involved.

Post8:17 PM - 19 days ago#509

StlAlex wrote:
7:45 PM - 19 days ago
It's insane how little people know about how entirely dependent the economy is right now on hopes and prayers that these companies will manage to make enough of a profit "someday" to pay off trillions of dollars in debt. Who do you think is paying that money? If we are even assuming it is possible to pay off that debt.

Beyond a surface level look at their debt and revenue projections, the vast majority of what AI is being used to do is objectively bad for humans and the real economy. But I assume most of this forum is too removed from that to have any grasp at all of the real harm happening.

Have we even considered the immense drain on natural resources these are? Think about how much good things all the steel, concerte, and labor could have been used for.....fixing our infrastructure, new housing, new office/retail/entertainment that people actually want, building new infrastructure God forbid....but now all the proponents of good things have to compete with a massive bad thing fully backed by the world's richest people, who can easily pay for the inflated cost due to their insane demand.

Do some critical thinking.

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Post4:33 PM - 18 days ago#510

If I had a dollar for every time Alex uses the word "objectively"  .  .  . 

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Post7:27 PM - 18 days ago#511

framer wrote:
4:33 PM - 18 days ago
If I had a dollar for every time Alex uses the word "objectively"  .  .  . 
Objectively speaking...💅

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Post12:41 PM - 17 days ago#512

Massive AI infrastructure is being built out across the US. But if you want to know what the data center occupation looks like, visit Loudoun County, Virginia, where that future arrived 20 years ago. 

https://www.theverge.com/cs/features/975597/loudoun-county-virginia-data-center-backlash

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Post1:19 PM - 17 days ago#513

Remember how long  and delayed it was for STL to embrace Uber and Rideshare in general. The Data Center debate reminds me of this. 

STL has an aversion to change, always has. 

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Post4:25 PM - 15 days ago#514

Yeah ridesharing and data centers are just like apples and apples.  Briliant.

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Post5:43 PM - 12 days ago#515

Recent research: EcoDevo promises of DC contstruction are bullsh*t

Ask Chat to read it for you.

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Post7:31 PM - 12 days ago#516

New ideas, new concepts that other states/cities jump onto quickly….while we delay and dawdle. 

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Post1:36 PM - 8 days ago#517

KMOV - $1.5 billion tax break plan for former Emerson campus redevelopment to go back before Ferguson council

https://www.firstalert4.com/2026/09/09/15-billion-tax-break-plan-former-emerson-campus-redevelopment-go-back-before-ferguson-council/

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Post1:48 PM - 8 days ago#518

It's wild to see municipalities still throwing massive tax breaks for datacenters in September 2026

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Post11:23 PM - 7 days ago#519

StlToday - Large data centers approved on Franklin County farmland despite resident outcry

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/article_7b5c48f0-54f9-44a3-8875-8bb02d7e2b18.html

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Post3:31 PM - 5 days ago#520

addxb2 wrote:
8:00 PM - Aug 28
Post Dispatch is reporting a data center proposal is imminent for mark twain industrial park. The investment is expected to EXCEED the $3B Midtown Data Center and would be the first major data center in North St. Louis. It's going to be remarkable how much revenue for both City and SLPS is going to be made up of data center money by 2030.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/government-politics/article_4b215515-7e71-4646-b05d-92238cfb1b28.html
That may be just in time for the city to consider a nascent proposal for the first major data center in north St. Louis.
Officials expect the project to locate in Alderwoman Pam Boyd's ward, which includes portions of the north riverfront and the Mark Twain/I-70 Industrial neighborhood.
And it is expected to be large — with investment exceeding that of the $3 billion development near the Midtown Armory.
Is this the same thing as the teased Mark Twain Industrial Park? 

St. Louis unveils final redevelopment plan for former Army ammunition plant site
https://www.firstalert4.com/2026/09/17/st-louis-unveils-final-redevelopment-plan-former-army-ammunition-plant-site/
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Post6:12 PM - 5 days ago#521

@pattimagee - The video accompanying the article was much more focused on the redevelopment as diversified industrial. I don't think I heard any specific use of the phrase "data center" in it. So, I did a search and found this plan by the SLDC for the redevelopment of the Mark Twain I-70 Industrial Corridor. Within this report, the only mentions of "data center" is on p.53 as a potential use for part of the site plan, and with multiple conditions. 

All that's to say that this looks complementary but separate to what's been teased before for a North City data center. That's what I think but don't know for sure. 

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Post1:56 PM - 4 days ago#522

^well that's what I hoped. Let's hope this all comes true then

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Post3:18 PM - 4 days ago#523

I assume this is the same but they aren’t going to put data centers in a community plan. Those look like distribution centers but that market is still pretty soft nationally.

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Post4:05 PM - 4 days ago#524

 A pretty good ENR on what is driving construction backlog via an industry group survey.  

https://www.enr.com/articles/63658-data-centers-lift-contractor-backlog-as-labor-pressures-reemerge

U.S. nonresidential construction backlog rebounded in August as a record share of Associated Builders and Contractors members reported having data center work under contract, the group reported Sept. 15.

ABC's Construction Backlog Indicator rose to 8.5 months from 8.0 months in July, returning to its August 2025 level. The results are based on a group member survey conducted Aug. 20 to Sept. 4.

About one in six ABC members is currently under contract to perform data center work, the highest share the association has recorded. Contractors working on data centers reported a 9.9-month backlog, compared with 8.3 months for contractors without such work.

“Data centers continue to keep contractors busy even as activity softens in other segments,” ABC Chief Economist Anirban Basu said. The narrowing backlog gap between contractors with and without data center work appears to reflect more firms securing data center projects, rather than a broader market shift, he noted..

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Post8:59 PM - 4 days ago#525

Developer behind controversial data center near Armory sues St. Louis
https://www.stlpr.org/news-briefs/2026-09-17/developer-st-louis-data-center-armory-files-lawsuit-against-city

In a suit against the city’s Board of Adjustment, partner David Lambiaso alleges that two conditions the board imposed as a requirement on the construction of the data center are illegal and would be “practically impossible” for the planned project.

The two requirements revolving around renewable energy requirements and a measure that requires the city’s Board of Aldermen to approve a community benefits agreement “exceed the scope of authority” of the board and the city's Board of Adjustment, the suit alleges.

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