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dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

9:02 PM - Jul 26

leeharveyawesome wrote: ↑

6:13 PM - Jul 25

The stabbing was fatal. Confirmed.

It was not. 

Briefly revived but the guy effectively died in the foyer. The news will come out.

I'm hearing that there are forces downtown advocating for the closure of Schnucks in hopes that an independent grocer could replace it and be a little more diligent about dealing with threats of violence, verbal abuse, actual violence, open racism and obviously shoplifting. Don't shoot the messenger. This is simply what I'm hearing.

I'm hearing there is a bridge sale happening on my street

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The amount of theft that goes on at that store they’re lucky enough to still have a store downtown let alone in the heart of downtown… The amount of rift raft from customers those employees deal with is insane on top of the crime that has nothing to do with the store itself. Bad behavior begets bad behavior…. If they want a better store to replace “which is already still a decent store they have now” I suggest they invest in the very one that’s there cause I can guarantee that a independent store isn’t going to survive very long with the amount of criminal behavior that surrounds that store & other places downtown….


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What is the amount? 

Shrinkage rate or theft isn’t really an issue at the DT Schnucks, at least any more than many of its other stores.

It is definitely a low ranking store in terms of traffic / sales.

Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑

4:39 PM - Jul 28

Shrinkage rate or theft isn’t really an issue at the DT Schnucks, at least any more than many of its other stores.

It is definitely a low ranking store in terms of traffic / sales.

With such slim margins in the grocery biz, I am a firm believe in supply/demand with those stores more than any other business.  Grocers don't move/close profitable locations.  Grocers stock items that sell.  (So, food deserts? mostly BS but that's a whole other argument.....)

Anyway, I want to criticize Schnucks for selling all those airline bottles of liquor that invites the very problems they are complaining about but it's very possible that they make most of their $$ for such alcohol sales.  

So, weird dynamic.  

soulardx wrote: ↑

4:52 PM - Jul 28

Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑

4:39 PM - Jul 28

Shrinkage rate or theft isn’t really an issue at the DT Schnucks, at least any more than many of its other stores.

It is definitely a low ranking store in terms of traffic / sales.

With such slim margins in the grocery biz, I am a firm believe in supply/demand with those stores more than any other business.  Grocers don't move/close profitable locations.  Grocers stock items that sell.  (So, food deserts? mostly BS but that's a whole other argument.....)

Anyway, I want to criticize Schnucks for selling all those airline bottles of liquor that invites the very problems they are complaining about but it's very possible that they make most of their $$ for such alcohol sales.  

So, weird dynamic.  

Food deserts aren’t BS at all, but you are right, that’s a different argument.

The DT Schnucks strength is that its mix of items sold is generally higher margin than a suburban store (more prepared meals, cosmetics, deli, cheese, etc). Center store items and alcohol aren’t that profitable. That does help make up for their low sales and traffic.

dweebe wrote: ↑

4:54 PM - Jul 28

I will admit my shopping trips to the downtown Schnucks have greatly decreased. Sorry but Fresh Thyme at the Foundry is my current go-to.

And yes I will admit part of the issue with the downtown Schnucks is the homeless camped out in the garage, around the store or even in the store asking you to buy them food.

Same.....when I worked downtown daily pre-Covid, I visited the Culinaria 4X/week for years. It was a great spot. Glorious salad bar. LOL.. Post Covid, haven't been more than 4 times total.  Now, it's just a super low quality store with very limited selection of about anything. Wish it weren't true, but it is...just not enough demand for more/better stuff.

To be fair, how many of these problems stem from the Mark Twain Hotel? With that closing down soon, I want to wait and see what happens to the surrounding area. This was a freak incident and it doesn’t look good, but the Mark Twain hotel is arguably worse from a quality of life standpoint.

Additionally, I don’t think these sorts of activities would be common if Mark Twain, Chemical, the Orpheum, AT&T and Railway were all redeveloped. This area has a very high concentration of vacant buildings that create shadowy corners for bullsh*t to take place. Start fixing those buildings and I expect problems to decrease and the perception of safety to increase.

Chris Stritzel wrote:To be fair, how many of these problems stem from the Mark Twain Hotel? With that closing down soon, I want to wait and see what happens to the surrounding area. This was a freak incident and it doesn’t look good, but the Mark Twain hotel is arguably worse from a quality of life standpoint.

Additionally, I don’t think these sorts of activities would be common if Mark Twain, Chemical, the Orpheum, AT&T and Railway were all redeveloped. This area has a very high concentration of vacant buildings that create shadowy corners for bullsh*t to take place. Start fixing those buildings and I expect problems to decrease and the perception of safety to increase.

The fact the store has survived while being surrounded by so many vacant buildings is actually pretty crazy. Filling those buildings would also expand their customer base.

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Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑

6:23 PM - Jul 28

To be fair, how many of these problems stem from the Mark Twain Hotel? With that closing down soon, I want to wait and see what happens to the surrounding area. This was a freak incident and it doesn’t look good, but the Mark Twain hotel is arguably worse from a quality of life standpoint.

Additionally, I don’t think these sorts of activities would be common if Mark Twain, Chemical, the Orpheum, AT&T and Railway were all redeveloped. This area has a very high concentration of vacant buildings that create shadowy corners for bullsh*t to take place. Start fixing those buildings and I expect problems to decrease and the perception of safety to increase.

Know what would likely help the development of those buildings?  Removing all the insane street people/social disorder bullsh*t.

StlAlex wrote: ↑

6:42 PM - Jul 28

Chris Stritzel wrote:To be fair, how many of these problems stem from the Mark Twain Hotel? With that closing down soon, I want to wait and see what happens to the surrounding area. This was a freak incident and it doesn’t look good, but the Mark Twain hotel is arguably worse from a quality of life standpoint.

Additionally, I don’t think these sorts of activities would be common if Mark Twain, Chemical, the Orpheum, AT&T and Railway were all redeveloped. This area has a very high concentration of vacant buildings that create shadowy corners for bullsh*t to take place. Start fixing those buildings and I expect problems to decrease and the perception of safety to increase.

The fact the store has survived while being surrounded by so many vacant buildings is actually pretty crazy. Filling those buildings would also expand their customer base.

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Agree. You could easily get 1300+ new apartments, some hotel rooms, office space, and show attendees from those redevelopments. Thats before anything new gets built where the Macy’s garage is.

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dweebe wrote: ↑

4:54 PM - Jul 28

I will admit my shopping trips to the downtown Schnucks have greatly decreased. Sorry but Fresh Thyme at the Foundry is my current go-to.

And yes I will admit part of the issue with the downtown Schnucks is the homeless camped out in the garage, around the store or even in the store asking you to buy them food.

Same.....when I worked downtown daily pre-Covid, I visited the Culinaria 4X/week for years. It was a great spot. Glorious salad bar. LOL.. Post Covid, haven't been more than 4 times total.  Now, it's just a super low quality store with very limited selection of about anything. Wish it weren't true, but it is...just not enough demand for more/better stuff.

I mean the store is small so it’s not going to carry every item like at other stores but they do still have a decent selection but it all depends on what you’re going in there for….. I do agree Schnucks can & should do better in investing in it… I think with that store it all boils down to demographics and right now demographics doesn’t support a high-end store like back when it started but that could change once other buildings begin getting redeveloped..


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At least the finally cleaned the windows for the first time maybe ever. Any downtown org advocating to close the ONLY grocer in downtown is deeply stupid. Also if they want to have an independent grocer open it's not like there is any lack of retail space for them to choose from. 

The former US Bank branch at 8th and Locust would actually make for a fantastic grocery space

An idea shared by Steve Smith. He listed this as just ideas and that they do not own the properties, necessarily. They’d be a great developer for the garages.

Does he have ATT moving back in....

If he draws similar crowds to other cities, streets and blocks surrounding Busch should be packed. If you’re looking for a good night to spend downtown, this would be one.

Has been sold out since March.

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pretty much every hotel is full (all but one Hilton brand is sold out), my friends 50 rentals on the Landing are sold out and every place at BPV had a 30-60 min lunch wait.