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Post1:01 AM - Aug 03#8251

what is noah kahan

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Post2:01 AM - Aug 03#8252

leeharveyawesome wrote:
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what is noah kahan
I was going say, I must be old or lame because I have never heard of this person and it sounds like they are pretty huge. That said I also listen to whatever 3 and 5 year old like these days and they probably aren't the demo for him

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Post2:18 AM - Aug 03#8253

Demographic is 18-35 year old females

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Post3:25 AM - Aug 03#8254

I'd recommend The Great Divide to anyone. The albums POV is well suited for men 25+. Easily my album of the year and I expect it'll do very well at this years Grammys. My favorites... Doors (Obama's summer playlist), American Cars, The Great Divide, Haircut, Deny Deny Deny, Orbiter, Dan.

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Post1:04 AM - Aug 06#8255

maybe some news tomorrow regarding some of the most talked about downtown buildings?

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Post2:39 AM - Aug 06#8256

dbInSouthCity wrote:
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maybe some news tomorrow regarding some of the most talked about downtown buildings?
I’d prefer today….

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Post12:36 PM - Aug 06#8257

St. Louis civic groups buy Kiener Plaza’s garages | St. Louis Magazine

Two of downtown St. Louis’ most prominent parking garages are under local control after Arch to Park Equity Fund, Gateway Arch Park Foundation, and the Berges Family Foundation closed on the purchase of the Kiener East and West parking garages last week.

The transaction means the garages’ operations will be managed by local “civically minded” organizations with longer-term visions than the previous owner, an out-of-state real estate investment trust more keen on driving returns to its investors each quarter, says Arch to Park Equity Fund CEO Dustin Allison. 

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Post1:07 PM - Aug 06#8258

WOOOOOO TEAR EM DOWN AND BUILD SOMETHING THAT SITE DESERVES

It seems for now they will just be sprucing them up but it should 100% be on the table in the longer term to completely redevelop these parcels


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Post1:22 PM - Aug 06#8259

^woh not the "most talked about building" I was thinking about but this is such an awesome surprise!  So much potential 👏

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Post1:27 PM - Aug 06#8260

Great! I hope the short-term improvements come quickly. I also imagine they’re leverage for whatever needs to happen with Wainwright and the lot to the north

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Post1:29 PM - Aug 06#8261

That’s great news, but was hoping to hear talk about tearing them down and redeveloping those properties rather than beautification and filling the vacant retail spaces. Keeping these garages for the long term is a huge missed opportunity IMO

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Post1:51 PM - Aug 06#8262

I think it's more likely they're built on top of in the medium to long term. But getting them out of an out of town owners hands (and into civic groups) is great news no matter what!

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Post2:09 PM - Aug 06#8263

BJ article says they plan to fill 80% of the retail space.

Has anyone been to that Pop's Pizza and Wings since it opened? It has extremely good reviews, seems almost unbelievable to me.

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Post2:41 PM - Aug 06#8264

I could see them eventually issuing an RFP to replace one of the garages depending on how the redevelopments of the Wainwright and Railway Exchange go and whether something good is built where the Macy’s Garage is or not.

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Post2:41 PM - Aug 06#8265

Sprucing up these garages has long been on the list of low hanging fruit projects that will improve downtown. In their current state they look awful and clearly the previous owner didn't care much about the retail rents or the ascetics of the building when they were getting plenty of revenue from parking.

I would love to see these eventually replaced by actual productive buildings but will be thrilled to see them refreshed in the short-medium term. The location is simply too visible to be ugly and mostly vacant.

These garages in a refreshed state will be perfect for higher end chain establishments IMO. I'm thinking Chipotle, maybe even a CAVA. 

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Post2:58 PM - Aug 06#8266

StlAlex wrote:
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BJ article says they plan to fill 80% of the retail space.

Has anyone been to that Pop's Pizza and Wings since it opened? It has extremely good reviews, seems almost unbelievable to me.

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Haven’t been but the images of the food diners have posted are helpful. Pizza looks average. Gyro looks alright. We need more Gyro places in this town.

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Post4:15 PM - Aug 06#8267

Possible preliminary renderings?
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Post4:22 PM - Aug 06#8268

I think that's just conceptual (see AT&T back in 909 Chestnut) but I'd take it!

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Post4:46 PM - Aug 06#8269

I wouldn’t. No offense Mr. Smith.

Post4:59 PM - Aug 06#8270

This is what I expect short-term to look like. Personally, I would be disappointed with anything less than this. The articles seem to emphasize a national brand which I think makes sense. Downtown needs more destination restaurants. 
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Post5:31 PM - Aug 06#8271

I wonder how modual the retail spaces are.

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Post5:39 PM - Aug 06#8272

It’s great news to know that it’s in hands of local ownership that want to invest in downtown & seem committed to making that happen. We all know a refresh of any type is more than long overdue.. I would love to see some mid rise apartments built on top of them or be a great location for a future tallest building downtown wishful thinking but hey I can dream right??


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Post6:37 PM - Aug 06#8273

How old are these garages?  I know the stadium garages had to have extensive work done on the embedded rebar that was rusting out and that was about 20 years ago.  Wondering if they got a good price because expensive repairs are needed to keep them operational.

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Post8:32 PM - Aug 06#8274

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:
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Sprucing up these garages has long been on the list of low hanging fruit projects that will improve downtown. In their current state they look awful and clearly the previous owner didn't care much about the retail rents or the ascetics of the building when they were getting plenty of revenue from parking.

I would love to see these eventually replaced by actual productive buildings but will be thrilled to see them refreshed in the short-medium term. The location is simply too visible to be ugly and mostly vacant.

These garages in a refreshed state will be perfect for higher end chain establishments IMO. I'm thinking Chipotle, maybe even a CAVA. 
Almost nothing has been done to those garages besides the pedestrian doors and hallway improvements to the elevators from 6th street. Restricting access has seemed to help with the pee smell in the elevators and stairwells.

I don't think they've even done a basic power wash clean to the garages.

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Post8:38 PM - Aug 06#8275

This amount of real estate is either owned or being sought by the City or Greater STL Inc. Pretty remarkable opportunity. 


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