Blues team offices are in a windowless basement right now
They got kicked out of the arena and are over in the basement of Stifel.
Their old offices got replaced by the Scott Credit Union premium club and other stuff. (My dentist has on-the-glas season tickets with gets you access to that club. He gloats about going there when we talk hockey during visits. I pay him too much.)
Well they finally won their 10th game of the season I was going to laugh out loud if they have more ties than wins. 10-12-7 is a weird record to have. At this rate they’ll win no more than 25-30 games this season compared to the 44 wins they had last season… I’ll be surprised if they go on hot streak however with all the injuries they have now I’d rather them get a top 5 pick for a change. Just my thought
This is why they should stop trying to win & get a top pick even if they made it to the playoffs which is not likely they’ll get humiliated by Colorado…
JR seems to think there's still rumblings about a major makeover for the team. The smoke will just not die out around shipping Kyrou out.
Will be interesting to see what happens. To play this horribly and still be within striking distance of that last wildcard playoff spot simply boggles my mind. Squeaking into the playoffs will help Stillman, but hurt the team in the long run. Time to ship this season unless lightning strikes twice.
They need to Trade Monty. He’s players coach and it’s obvious there isn’t a lot of accountability. You gotta slap someone around to get millionaires to backcheck
Blues would be stupid to move on from a coach in year 2 of a 5 year contract with a roster that includes Buchnevich and Fowler getting large roles and big bucks.
Bolduc is on pace for 8 fewer points while getting over a minute more ice time per game while playing on a better MTL team. We can't act like he was the linchpin.
Montgomery is one of the best coaches in the league. This team is pretty much exactly what they were last season, except with more injuries and worse goaltending. Without a 12 game win streak, they miss the playoffs. This wasn't a great team by any stretch and players like Schenn, Buchnevich, Fowler, and Parayko have all regressed significantly. There's nothing a coach can do about that.
Would it make sense to do a major overhaul and addition (sort of like Kroenke's initial proposal for the dome) on EC vs building out new? I've not been to Nationwide so I don't know about the game experience or how well it's been maintained but EC still looks great after all the recent updates.
Where? The current "problem" with the Enterprise Center is it's jammed into a too small footprint. Other arenas are 800,000 to 1.1 million sq ft white the Enterprise Center is under 750,000. If you've been to any other modern full-line NHL/NBA arena you'd notice their concourses are two to three times wider. The only exception are the United Center and Madison Square Garden.
If the current building has to be kept, I would like to take the Kiel Garage down and renovate the arena with the new main entrance copying something like Indianapolis' arena with the grand hall and public plaza.
Then under that would be an option for NBA offices and locker rooms.
In a perfect world I’d like a larger arena built on Washington Avenue that would have the old building front and then be a lot like the Islanders new arena at Belmont behind it. That building was very well done.
Your building is pretty close to United Center size. But having a Blues/(insert future WNBA and/or NBA team here) campus would be interesting and it would feed off what CITY SC has already done.
That's not just a bunch of office space that can be easily relocated; its a major sorting and distribution center that processes much of the mail and parcels for the St. Louis area.
A few years ago the Post Office had ambitious plans to build massive new processing and distribution centers nationwide. I have no idea if St. Louis was on the list, but those plans have since been scaled back. If our area WERE to get one of the new plants, then this location MIGHT become available. If not, then I don't see much point in dreaming about it. Again, this is a major, very busy federal installation in operation 24/7.
There are also some very historic, valuable murals in the lobby of the older building. I suppose they could be saved and relocated, but it would be a major undertaking in itself.
I hate to repeat myself, but I just don't care for this. There are much better ways to reuse the post office and much better parcels for an arena. I also don't care for the fact that it would leave us with a defunct arena that would be difficult to repurpose for anything else. I think a much better plan would remove the garage, expand into its footprint, save for the loading dock areas below it, and build a new garage across the street behind the municipal courts building. I think it's much more realistic and beneficial to incorporate a vacant parcel and a parking lot of equivalent size than a functioning, if underutilized post office. Additionally, if you incorporate the hotel idea then you get additional very integrated convention space.
symphonicpoet wrote:I hate to repeat myself, but I just don't care for this. There are much better ways to reuse the post office and much better parcels for an arena. I also don't care for the fact that it would leave us with a defunct arena that would be difficult to repurpose for anything else. I think a much better plan would remove the garage, expand into its footprint, save for the loading dock areas below it, and build a new garage across the street behind the municipal courts building. I think it's much more realistic and beneficial to incorporate a vacant parcel and a parking lot of equivalent size than a functioning, if underutilized post office. Additionally, if you incorporate the hotel idea then you get additional very integrated convention space.
Wouldn’t you just bulldoze the old arena easy enough and redeveloped?
I'm not sure how easy that would be. There might be shared HVAC equipment, electrical, plumbing. I think there's some shared structure. Could you demo and rebuild? Sure. For the right price. But the theatre would make it complicated. And if the shortcomings of the facility are in office and team space and locker rooms, then there's no reason I can think of that you couldn't simply upgrade. The building is generally pretty well designed. It's one of the best spaces I've ever worked in. It's great for concerts. Loads like a dream. There's a several completely enclosed docks and space for several more trucks or busses just feet from the arena floor. I haven't been up on the steel, but it looks like a great place to rig. It's head and shoulders above where the dome was before the ongoing upgrade started, or even the much newer Mizzou Arena. The seating capacity is pretty darn good. The floor is a good size and it's flexible. Just build an annex and put the new locker rooms and team offices in there. The garage is the perfect spot for it. You'd need to leave truck access through to get to the docks, but you should be able to work around that. Even leave a little VIP parking if you want, but replace the bulk of the parking structure with a nice, shiny new four to six story team tower. It's a 1.6 acre garage, which is apparently just shy of 70K square feet, so you should be able to get a quarter million square feet of back of house functions onto the site easily enough. More if you don't mind going taller. And put the big parking garage across the street behind the courthouse. Much better solution. Cheaper. Less disruptive. Nicer. Better on every level.
It would be pretty straightforward to take down Enterprise. There is very little shared utilities, not even the loading docks are shared. Most of Enterprise could be torn down and redeveloped with little to no affect on Stifel. Even the Blues offices are under Stifel and not Enterprise.
I'd prefer a location on Washington Ave for a new arean as opposed to the Post Office, but Enterprise is not to be used for several more decades.
I don't think we have that many contiguous parcels that could accommodate without losing something. Those lots by the convention center + the office building to the north that I think is vacant? Not sure.. where along Washington could it exist?
