I know of a law firm (not at liberty to say which one) currently in the Security Building that is scouting offices in the county. They like their space, but a lot of the firms are moving out of downtown, so they're looking at various options. I don't know how much space or how many employees they have downtown at the moment.
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Sigh, it was the lawyers that were helping keep offices downtown. I wonder if this puts SLU law at risk if they keep fleeing.
Would Downtown's best chance for a new Class A space to retain companies be Cordish? would that be fair or other thoughts? Yes, you could say BPV but they have literally sitting on a ready built site pad(s) and incentives for years and will leave that at that. However, would be interesting if AHM could pull together something for West Downtown, say a Class A timber tower to compliment its proposed timber residential tower or if they are actively discussing behind the scenes. Say something on par what Foundry had its in the mix.
At this point I do think it is legit point that downtown's in general still need an avenue to offer new class A office space/building while aggressively converting old office space, even older Class A, to residential. No different for St. Louis in my opinion.
At this point I do think it is legit point that downtown's in general still need an avenue to offer new class A office space/building while aggressively converting old office space, even older Class A, to residential. No different for St. Louis in my opinion.
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between Pride, 4th of July being 2 days and the 50,000 person conference, over 1,000,000 will be in downtown from June 28th to July 6th
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Does the new Mayor have a plan to prevent the madness that was last year’s 4th of July party DT?
Well that's on the police. And judging by how well they handled the Grove, I doubt it'll be handled well.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Jun 30, 2025Does the new Mayor have a plan to prevent the madness that was last year’s 4th of July party DT?
If anyone in St. Louis (mayor or police) know of how to end the post-Pride excitement or street takeovers, they need to call a press conference and share it with 200 other mayors. Chicago was up until 3AM last night shewing people off of cars and streets after Pride. They also canceled 4th of July festivities completely. There is not a solution. Only better parenting.
My opinion on STL, Pride is spread out and thins out the resources. Pride should be only in the Grove (not downtown) and there should be strict entry points and bar closing. Problem solved.
My opinion on STL, Pride is spread out and thins out the resources. Pride should be only in the Grove (not downtown) and there should be strict entry points and bar closing. Problem solved.
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Pride was not in the Grove, this weekend. Our bars are focused there, but the committee for Pride believes downtown best accommodates their festival size. Pride has been in Forest Park, Tower Grove Park, and now downtown. It has never actually been in the Grove. The last few years the businesses in the Grove attempted a night event but it was challenging to police the crowds and restrict access while also getting event goers through security. Another challenge was basically restricting access to businesses due to security concerns. Perhaps the attempt to create this event generated attention for those who are not a part of pride, but took the opportunity to party in the streets and contribute to lawless behavior.
LGBTQIA Community opted to continue to celebrate at their home bars in the Grove after the festivities ended downtown. The nonsense displayed in the streets was not Pride, it was opportunistic individuals looking for a 'good time' and an opportunity to act up. Having to close bars early due to the this cost the LGBTQIA bar owners money. June is one of the best months for revenue. So sad, but while it occurred again on Sunday, it was shut down much quicker, but at the expense of closing bars early.
LGBTQIA Community opted to continue to celebrate at their home bars in the Grove after the festivities ended downtown. The nonsense displayed in the streets was not Pride, it was opportunistic individuals looking for a 'good time' and an opportunity to act up. Having to close bars early due to the this cost the LGBTQIA bar owners money. June is one of the best months for revenue. So sad, but while it occurred again on Sunday, it was shut down much quicker, but at the expense of closing bars early.
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Not unique to StL but unfortunate. It will always be difficult because nobody is doing anything “wrong” by hanging out in big groups in public until something goes actual wrong. We just can’t afford these things in the city because it seems to have a bigger effect on visitors and metro dwellers than other places where these exact things also happen
The 4th stuff last year was a little more preventable as our parking garages (of course) were being used for hours by teens drinking, smoking, playing with fireworks and racing even while things were going well at the arch. Then when the festivities were over and security thinned out, all the parking garage activity went out to the streets
The 4th stuff last year was a little more preventable as our parking garages (of course) were being used for hours by teens drinking, smoking, playing with fireworks and racing even while things were going well at the arch. Then when the festivities were over and security thinned out, all the parking garage activity went out to the streets
As a member of the community in Chicago, I’m joining this conversation locally. The strategy that Pride organizations are taking is a death sentence to our events. See Chicago cutting the event in half this year to better manage fallout.STLCityMike wrote:Pride was not in the Grove, this weekend. Our bars are focused there, but the committee for Pride believes downtown best accommodates their festival size. Pride has been in Forest Park, Tower Grove Park, and now downtown. It has never actually been in the Grove. The last few years the businesses in the Grove attempted a night event but it was challenging to police the crowds and restrict access while also getting event goers through security. Another challenge was basically restricting access to businesses due to security concerns. Perhaps the attempt to create this event generated attention for those who are not a part of pride, but took the opportunity to party in the streets and contribute to lawless behavior.
LGBTQIA Community opted to continue to celebrate at their home bars in the Grove after the festivities ended downtown. The nonsense displayed in the streets was not Pride, it was opportunistic individuals looking for a 'good time' and an opportunity to act up. Having to close bars early due to the this cost the LGBTQIA bar owners money. June is one of the best months for revenue. So sad, but while it occurred again on Sunday, it was shut down much quicker, but at the expense of closing bars early.
The best outcome for everyone is a closed street Manchester with strict start and end times. Community bars get their money. Event organizers get their space. Police get a defined area with strict start and end times.
The best prides in the world are in neighborhoods, not just CBDs. If Pride worked with neighbors, bars, and police now.
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Well the thin blue line that keeps society from from devolving into pure chaos is passing the buck on public safety again. This time regarding the craziness in the grove.
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I think they make a legitimate case in pointing out that the event was under permitted and therefore they didnt have barriers and checkpoints in the streets. Alderman Browning already confirmed they’ll take a different approach next year.JaneJacobsGhost wrote:Well the thin blue line that keeps society from from devolving into pure chaos is passing the buck on public safety again. This time regarding the craziness in the grove.
Running it the way they did last year would prevent a lot of what happened. Worth the extra cost to me.
I feel bad for Chicago's Pride.addxb2 wrote: ↑Jul 01, 2025As a member of the community in Chicago, I’m joining this conversation locally. The strategy that Pride organizations are taking is a death sentence to our events. See Chicago cutting the event in half this year to better manage fallout.STLCityMike wrote:Pride was not in the Grove, this weekend. Our bars are focused there, but the committee for Pride believes downtown best accommodates their festival size. Pride has been in Forest Park, Tower Grove Park, and now downtown. It has never actually been in the Grove. The last few years the businesses in the Grove attempted a night event but it was challenging to police the crowds and restrict access while also getting event goers through security. Another challenge was basically restricting access to businesses due to security concerns. Perhaps the attempt to create this event generated attention for those who are not a part of pride, but took the opportunity to party in the streets and contribute to lawless behavior.
LGBTQIA Community opted to continue to celebrate at their home bars in the Grove after the festivities ended downtown. The nonsense displayed in the streets was not Pride, it was opportunistic individuals looking for a 'good time' and an opportunity to act up. Having to close bars early due to the this cost the LGBTQIA bar owners money. June is one of the best months for revenue. So sad, but while it occurred again on Sunday, it was shut down much quicker, but at the expense of closing bars early.
The best outcome for everyone is a closed street Manchester with strict start and end times. Community bars get their money. Event organizers get their space. Police get a defined area with strict start and end times.
The best prides in the world are in neighborhoods, not just CBDs. If Pride worked with neighbors, bars, and police now.
Not trying to dox myself but I have a relative and his partner who live in Northalsted. The last couple of years on Pride weekend they've left the neighborhood because of previous damage to one of their cars.
How do you explain to Allstate that girls got on the roof of your street parked SUV to twerk and dance? Fortunately their security cameras caught it all.
What did they do last year?Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jul 01, 2025I think they make a legitimate case in pointing out that the event was under permitted and therefore they didnt have barriers and checkpoints in the streets. Alderman Browning already confirmed they’ll take a different approach next year.JaneJacobsGhost wrote:Well the thin blue line that keeps society from from devolving into pure chaos is passing the buck on public safety again. This time regarding the craziness in the grove.
Running it the way they did last year would prevent a lot of what happened. Worth the extra cost to me.
Any talk of copying Dogtown St. Patricks Day and Soulard Mardi Gras in closing things down at 6 or 7pm?
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Basically paying more to have a permitted event with street barriers and officers wanding people entering the area.dweebe wrote:What did they do last year?Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jul 01, 2025I think they make a legitimate case in pointing out that the event was under permitted and therefore they didnt have barriers and checkpoints in the streets. Alderman Browning already confirmed they’ll take a different approach next year.JaneJacobsGhost wrote:Well the thin blue line that keeps society from from devolving into pure chaos is passing the buck on public safety again. This time regarding the craziness in the grove.
Running it the way they did last year would prevent a lot of what happened. Worth the extra cost to me.
Any talk of copying Dogtown St. Patricks Day and Soulard Mardi Gras in closing things down at 6 or 7pm?
I don't know the whole story, but I don't see what the bar owners did wrong. They're allowed to operate their businesses per usual, and have no jurisdiction over what happens in the public right of way. A lot of people went to the Grove and some caused problems. Not sure why the business owners have to suffer as a result, or be forced to pay to close down the street.
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I don’t think the business owner’s did anything wrong and no one is going to force them to pay to close down the street.Tim wrote:I don't know the whole story, but I don't see what the bar owners did wrong. They're allowed to operate their businesses per usual, and have no jurisdiction over what happens in the public right of way. A lot of people went to the Grove and some caused problems. Not sure why the business owners have to suffer as a result, or be forced to pay to close down the street.
It’s just that it’s probably a more effective approach than what happened last night and the negative headlines from the event will probably unfairly affect their businesses as well.
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The year before, there was an attempt to have a controlled night pride event that was a separate entity from Pride St. Louis. It had it's own issues and it did not work out. The business owners attempted to blockade the area, and charge admission to help cover the cost of the security which they had too foot. It was limited to 2 entrances, but the response was overwhelming, and long lines began to form. Some found (I heard) ways to sneak in. Some were upset buy the time they paid to get inside, the stage shows were over. Couple that with the entrance to the businesses being INSIDE the secure area, you had to go through the security process to be able to access the businesses.
As a result, it was decided this year that most businesses would just charge admission to fund additional security inside their business. There were, to my knowledge, no issues inside any business. The issue was those who decided to come to the area and cause issues. Even if it started out innocent, fights began that lead to more violence.
I own (with partners) a bar at the other end of the grove who DID have a pop up bar inside the barriers last year, and it was not successful due to the reasons listed above. Our brick and mortal location had no issues either year. I am glad the police were able to contain the crowds especially Sunday.
the street was never supposed to be closed. It was the unexpected crowd that started climbing on things that least to the closure. It is NOT up to the businesses to patrol the public sidewalks and streets any time of the year. That needs to be addressed by the city. Events happen all over, all year. It was mentioned about July 4th last year. This unruliness was not about Pride.
As a result, it was decided this year that most businesses would just charge admission to fund additional security inside their business. There were, to my knowledge, no issues inside any business. The issue was those who decided to come to the area and cause issues. Even if it started out innocent, fights began that lead to more violence.
I own (with partners) a bar at the other end of the grove who DID have a pop up bar inside the barriers last year, and it was not successful due to the reasons listed above. Our brick and mortal location had no issues either year. I am glad the police were able to contain the crowds especially Sunday.
the street was never supposed to be closed. It was the unexpected crowd that started climbing on things that least to the closure. It is NOT up to the businesses to patrol the public sidewalks and streets any time of the year. That needs to be addressed by the city. Events happen all over, all year. It was mentioned about July 4th last year. This unruliness was not about Pride.
Dang, when did Peabody get all shot up? The adjacent Wainwright building lost a window too.
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@Tim I am surprised that windows at 9th and 10th level got busted.
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Some of the windows were taken out for the HOK renovation to hoist up dry wall but I’ve only seen the crane on the western side
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Probably 2-3 weeks ago.Tim wrote: ↑Jul 02, 2025Dang, when did Peabody get all shot up? The adjacent Wainwright building lost a window too.
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One of the things I don't understand is why the city charges fees to cover security and lost parking revenue for some of these events. Sure, if John Smith wants to do an event, it makes sense. However, things like Taste of St. Louis and Pride should not be charged because they benefit the community and local businesses, which we need to encourage.
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No. She did not.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Jun 30, 2025Does the new Mayor have a plan to prevent the madness that was last year’s 4th of July party DT?
I was under the impression they had a bunch more police presence and made a lot of arrests for fireworks and atvs.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Jul 08, 2025No. She did not.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Jun 30, 2025Does the new Mayor have a plan to prevent the madness that was last year’s 4th of July party DT?