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PostApr 25, 2025#201

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JaneJacobsGhost wrote:It was a silly question. This board is overrun by people who don’t know anything about St Louis
I wrote my masters thesis at Saint Louis University on the node-place theory of St. Louis’s MetroLink system. I’m more knowledgeable on what it takes to run and pay for MetroLink and the public transit industry than most anyone on the forum.

I don’t live in St. Louis but did when the street view screenshot was taken. I know that MetroLink ridership is still down and wanted to inquire.
Metro ridership's drop has been concentrated in the suburban park-and-ride stations. Shrewsbury has 800+ parking spaces and in its hay day was 90%+ full everyday, but these days gets 150-200 cars per day, and all the other p+r are like that. This is why I think it's so necessary for Metro to develop parts of these parking lots since they are only being partially used anymore.

Now, that also means the core stations also see reduced ridership, of course, but they also had riders who used it in place of a car or because they're students or something like that. Most of those riders have been retained, if not grown over the same period.

So CWE definitely sees fewer riders, but rush times do still fill the platform up in a good feeling way.

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PostApr 25, 2025#202

Auggie wrote: So CWE definitely sees fewer riders, but rush times do still fill the platform up in a good feeling way.
That’s what I was looking for when asking. The good feeling.

Here is some of my research.






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PostApr 25, 2025#203

Are there any stations that could make sense to slightly move at some point in the future? One I had in mind for that is Sunnen if some form of commuter/regional rail occurs on the UP line. Make it designed to allow for being able to connect lines which could help both lines ridership, increase connectivity, and make TOD more desirable at that spot.

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PostApr 26, 2025#204

I've mentioned this before, I would like to see the red line underground an on a separate path through downtown, like under Wash Ave / Lindell and it could connect with the blue then in two places.  Two line straddle the central core.

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PostApr 29, 2025#205

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stlurbanist wrote:
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Does the wi-fi aboard the trains work for you guys? It is my pet peeve for the year.
40% yes, 60% no recently. Back in Jan/Feb it was like 80% yes, 20% no. Not sure why it's gotten worse recently.
The leaves are back

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PostApr 29, 2025#206

ldai_phs wrote:
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Auggie wrote:
stlurbanist wrote:
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Does the wi-fi aboard the trains work for you guys? It is my pet peeve for the year.
40% yes, 60% no recently. Back in Jan/Feb it was like 80% yes, 20% no. Not sure why it's gotten worse recently.
The leaves are back
Since I said 40/60, I have yet to be able to connect. So it's like 25/75 now 😬

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PostApr 29, 2025#207

imperialmog wrote:
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Are there any stations that could make sense to slightly move at some point in the future? One I had in mind for that is Sunnen if some form of commuter/regional rail occurs on the UP line. Make it designed to allow for being able to connect lines which could help both lines ridership, increase connectivity, and make TOD more desirable at that spot.
They built 2 or 3 apartment buildings on the unused part of Sunnen campus. Might be best TOD in the county.

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PostApr 29, 2025#208

Such a low bar a mouse could have stepped over it.
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PostApr 29, 2025#209

“Best in county” does not equal “I love it.”

That said it may be the only TOD on the Blue line so wouldn’t turn my nose up too high at it.

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PostApr 30, 2025#210

Off the top of my head, I think it's the only TOD in STL County....? Not sure if some of the U-City development can be described as TOD.

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PostApr 30, 2025#211

The Boulevard in Richmond Heights?

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PostApr 30, 2025#212

quincunx wrote:
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Such a low bar a mouse could have stepped over it.
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There is a lot more that can be done at that location. Significant TOD and upzoning in that area along with improving connection to Deer Creek Greenway. Also if a regional/commuter rail system ever happens its next to the most likely line  that it starts on and would be a connecting point enhancing the TOD opportunity since it would have transit connections going west to a number of communities.

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PostApr 30, 2025#213

stldotage wrote:
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The Boulevard in Richmond Heights?
Yea I think we could put the Boulevard in as TOD. Sure.

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PostMay 13, 2025#214

what if you could design your own metrolink route?
https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1017072

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PostMay 16, 2025#215

My dream is a system that doesn’t have this happen.


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PostJun 20, 2025#216

Hi everyone! I already have introduced myself on the forum topic of that same name, so I'll spare those details here. Obviously, I'm new to posting here but have been "lurking" for a while. I noticed this topic a discussion in the “Metrolink Expansion?” thread which talked about the need for a streetcar running between Downtown and Soulard. This got my gears turning, and I decided to draft up my ideas of what this could look like. I've attached my fantasy maps below, and have more detailed documentation with frequency times and stop descriptions in a PowerPoint linked below. 

https://1drv.ms/p/c/4cfaa937cce6f3f2/EUuTRWdl6bZBhwP0fxJFmOUB4OsMvMe1tBJz7Eqa9izMkA?e=q4GMCr

I would greatly appreciate any comments, questions, or suggestions on this. As I noted in my "Introduce Yourself" post, I am unfortunately not a resident of St. Louis (yet), so it's a tad difficult to design something with only Street View as my guide! 😂

Anyway, thanks for reading this. I look forward to discussing this and other St. Louis topics with you all!
(I hope I attached the photos correctly. We'll see...)
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PostJun 21, 2025#217

It's a bit of a pipe dream of my own, honestly. I'd love to see something like that on the Broadway corridor with the idea that you could eventually continue it south to Jefferson and connect with the Green Line. It'd be a more useful tourist trolley than the Delmar Loop, with better potential for isolation from traffic. And extending it could potentially make it real transit. Anyway, nice renders. Have you tried NIMBY Rails?

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PostJun 21, 2025#218

^That was sort of the idea behind this too, that it could be expanded in the future. Ideally, it could be built in stages (if it were to ever be built, of course). Construct either the Tucker/12th or Broadway/7th line first, then build the other and connect them over Arsenal and push further north to Cole for the connection there. Then expand it further north or south. Connection with the Green Line would be ideal. I wish my plan had better integration with the existing MetroLink lines. If it were to be built exactly as shown here, Metro riders would have to walk a block to get to the closest streetcar stop. Really, I guess it’s not that bad, but I could see it being an inconvenience for some.

Well, my apologies for the long-winded message. I get excited over stuff like this! To answer your question, I have not heard of NIMBY Rail before. I looked it up, and it seems like a great app. More suited for this kind of thing than PowerPoint, that’s for sure. Anyways, thanks for the recommendation and for taking the time to read over and discuss my streetcar fantasy concept. I really appreciate it!

EDIT: Looks like our discussion got moved to another topic. Sorry mods! Didn’t know this topic existed, otherwise I would have posted here. For other readers, this idea began in the “MetroLink Expansion” thread.

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