This is good news. I don’t understand why he would publicize that he doesn’t need the incentives. I also don’t know why we should give the incentives if they aren’t necessary to complete the project.dbInSouthCity wrote:
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Yeah, I don't doubt what DB said he heard, it just seems weird to tell State Legislators directly that you don't need the money, especially when your project is the poster child for the legislation.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑May 07, 2025This is good news. I don’t understand why he would publicize that he doesn’t need the incentives. I also don’t know why we should give the incentives if they aren’t necessary to complete the project.dbInSouthCity wrote:
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Idk, maybe he doesn’t like that his project is being used as a political football for fascists who want to spit in the faces of the people he would like to attract to live in his building?
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Yeah I’m sure he’s willing to take a stand and forgo all that incentive money. Sounds like most real estate developers I know.
AT&T Tower developers say tax incentive bill is needed to move forward with redevelopment plan. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/news/con ... reappshare
AT&T Tower developers say tax incentive bill is needed to move forward with redevelopment plan. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/news/con ... reappshare
Q1 2026 start date, hopefully, according to developer quoted in business journal.
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Q1 2026 start date, hopefully, according to developer quoted in business journal.
Ya right marking it on my calendar sure right now I/m doing that marking it on my calendar **rolls eyes**
Ya right marking it on my calendar sure right now I/m doing that marking it on my calendar **rolls eyes**
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625 apts, grocery store (50,000 SQ FT), pharmacy, roof top restaurant with 360 views, other retail. every detail is about making the building a regional destination to draw people downtown
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I was not expecting a 50,000 square foot grocery store. That's pretty large. Larger than, say, a Trader Joe's, by about double.
Would the pharmacy be inside the grocery store? Do we know what kind of grocery store it might be?
It'd be awesome if it could be a grocery store that attracts people, like Whole Foods or a Meijer neighborhood market.
I highly doubt Whole Foods would open a second city location, but Meijer has opened ~40,000 square foot markets in Detroit and Cleveland in recent years.
Would the pharmacy be inside the grocery store? Do we know what kind of grocery store it might be?
It'd be awesome if it could be a grocery store that attracts people, like Whole Foods or a Meijer neighborhood market.
I highly doubt Whole Foods would open a second city location, but Meijer has opened ~40,000 square foot markets in Detroit and Cleveland in recent years.
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Story is longer but this is the relevant info
“The 44-story, 1.45-million-square-foot AT&T Tower, 909 Chestnut St., is the state's largest office building and has been vacant since 2017. Real estate investment firm Goldman Group acquired the tower a year ago for $3.6 million and is proposing a $350 million project to redevelop the building to include more than 600 apartments and 80,000 square feet of retail space.
The 600-plus apartments would take up most of the 44-story tower, but Goldman said they’re just one component of how he hopes the building will help revitalize downtown. He pointed to design elements, including an in-building waterfall and massive chandelier, that aim to make the building a draw for visitors.
“This is the state's largest asset and it's important for us to make it a very iconic experience,” Goldman said.
'Deliberately designed to create an experience'
Of the 80,000 square feet of retail space included in Goldman Group’s redevelopment plan, there’s about 50,000 square feet earmarked for a grocery store tenant and another 8,000 square feet for a pharmacy. The building would also include 100,000 square feet for amenities and an automated parking system.
The building’s design includes elements aimed at making the tower itself a destination for visitors, Goldman said. That includes plans for a massive chandelier in the building’s atrium that Goldman said would be roughly 20 feet fall and span two-thirds of the width of the atrium; a 30-foot, floor-to-ceiling waterfall within atrium; a rooftop restaurant that would allow for views of the Mississippi River and Gateway Arch; and glass elevator shafts for the automated parking system to give views of cars being moved.
Goldman said features of the building are "deliberately designed to create an experience" and bring attention to the tower and downtown St. Louis because of their uniqueness”
“The 44-story, 1.45-million-square-foot AT&T Tower, 909 Chestnut St., is the state's largest office building and has been vacant since 2017. Real estate investment firm Goldman Group acquired the tower a year ago for $3.6 million and is proposing a $350 million project to redevelop the building to include more than 600 apartments and 80,000 square feet of retail space.
The 600-plus apartments would take up most of the 44-story tower, but Goldman said they’re just one component of how he hopes the building will help revitalize downtown. He pointed to design elements, including an in-building waterfall and massive chandelier, that aim to make the building a draw for visitors.
“This is the state's largest asset and it's important for us to make it a very iconic experience,” Goldman said.
'Deliberately designed to create an experience'
Of the 80,000 square feet of retail space included in Goldman Group’s redevelopment plan, there’s about 50,000 square feet earmarked for a grocery store tenant and another 8,000 square feet for a pharmacy. The building would also include 100,000 square feet for amenities and an automated parking system.
The building’s design includes elements aimed at making the tower itself a destination for visitors, Goldman said. That includes plans for a massive chandelier in the building’s atrium that Goldman said would be roughly 20 feet fall and span two-thirds of the width of the atrium; a 30-foot, floor-to-ceiling waterfall within atrium; a rooftop restaurant that would allow for views of the Mississippi River and Gateway Arch; and glass elevator shafts for the automated parking system to give views of cars being moved.
Goldman said features of the building are "deliberately designed to create an experience" and bring attention to the tower and downtown St. Louis because of their uniqueness”
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This makes me think that it could be a destination grocery store that will attract people.
I look forward to seeing the plans develop.
I look forward to seeing the plans develop.
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I am hoping they light up the building with cool colors. That will make it stand out on the exterior.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑May 14, 2025Story is longer but this is the relevant info
“The 44-story, 1.45-million-square-foot AT&T Tower, 909 Chestnut St., is the state's largest office building and has been vacant since 2017. Real estate investment firm Goldman Group acquired the tower a year ago for $3.6 million and is proposing a $350 million project to redevelop the building to include more than 600 apartments and 80,000 square feet of retail space.
The 600-plus apartments would take up most of the 44-story tower, but Goldman said they’re just one component of how he hopes the building will help revitalize downtown. He pointed to design elements, including an in-building waterfall and massive chandelier, that aim to make the building a draw for visitors.
“This is the state's largest asset and it's important for us to make it a very iconic experience,” Goldman said.
'Deliberately designed to create an experience'
Of the 80,000 square feet of retail space included in Goldman Group’s redevelopment plan, there’s about 50,000 square feet earmarked for a grocery store tenant and another 8,000 square feet for a pharmacy. The building would also include 100,000 square feet for amenities and an automated parking system.
The building’s design includes elements aimed at making the tower itself a destination for visitors, Goldman said. That includes plans for a massive chandelier in the building’s atrium that Goldman said would be roughly 20 feet fall and span two-thirds of the width of the atrium; a 30-foot, floor-to-ceiling waterfall within atrium; a rooftop restaurant that would allow for views of the Mississippi River and Gateway Arch; and glass elevator shafts for the automated parking system to give views of cars being moved.
Goldman said features of the building are "deliberately designed to create an experience" and bring attention to the tower and downtown St. Louis because of their uniqueness”
I wonder how much Rams money the city would be willing to grant to help push this through?
Why $0? Wouldn't it be in the city's best interest to do whatever it can to ensure that this building is re-activated? Even if it's in the form of a loan?
If the last proposal for the Rams settlement included $30 million dedicated to downtown sidewalk and streets improvements with the stipulation of 1:1 match of private funds, couldn't that be applied to the extensive streetscaping that this project (I would hope) will be getting to activate the street and draw in visitors? Wouldn't that potentially be some incentive? On another note, if this project is supposedly financially viable and starting in less than a year, shouldn't there be some form of renderings, plans, visuals, anything outside of a photocopied list of bullet points that was circulated via Twitter?
The street improvements need to happen like yesterday. Downtown would look so much better with freshly paved streets, street trees, and new sidewalks.kg2024 wrote: ↑May 14, 2025If the last proposal for the Rams settlement included $30 million dedicated to downtown sidewalk and streets improvements with the stipulation of 1:1 match of private funds, couldn't that be applied to the extensive streetscaping that this project (I would hope) will be getting to activate the street and draw in visitors? Wouldn't that potentially be some incentive? On another note, if this project is supposedly financially viable and starting in less than a year, shouldn't there be some form of renderings, plans, visuals, anything outside of a photocopied list of bullet points that was circulated via Twitter?
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Union Station should be first in line to take advantage of this program. 18th Street is rough for both pedestrians and drivers
Was in New Orleans for a trip with friends in the fall, and everything in Downtown had a fresh clean look, nice landscaping, freshly paved streets. Even my friends commented on it. I said "I bet their hosting the Super Bowl this year." Looked on my phone and indeed the Super Bowl AND multiple Taylor Swift shows at the Super Dome.goat314 wrote: ↑May 14, 2025The street improvements need to happen like yesterday. Downtown would look so much better with freshly paved streets, street trees, and new sidewalks.kg2024 wrote: ↑May 14, 2025If the last proposal for the Rams settlement included $30 million dedicated to downtown sidewalk and streets improvements with the stipulation of 1:1 match of private funds, couldn't that be applied to the extensive streetscaping that this project (I would hope) will be getting to activate the street and draw in visitors? Wouldn't that potentially be some incentive? On another note, if this project is supposedly financially viable and starting in less than a year, shouldn't there be some form of renderings, plans, visuals, anything outside of a photocopied list of bullet points that was circulated via Twitter?
Yes, and New Orleans in general has worse infrastructure than St. Louis. No doubt their emphasis on placemaking and tourism is what saves that city, because it would be a very sad place without it.TalkinDev wrote: ↑May 15, 2025Was in New Orleans for a trip with friends in the fall, and everything in Downtown had a fresh clean look, nice landscaping, freshly paved streets. Even my friends commented on it. I said "I bet their hosting the Super Bowl this year." Looked on my phone and indeed the Super Bowl AND multiple Taylor Swift shows at the Super Dome.goat314 wrote: ↑May 14, 2025The street improvements need to happen like yesterday. Downtown would look so much better with freshly paved streets, street trees, and new sidewalks.kg2024 wrote: ↑May 14, 2025If the last proposal for the Rams settlement included $30 million dedicated to downtown sidewalk and streets improvements with the stipulation of 1:1 match of private funds, couldn't that be applied to the extensive streetscaping that this project (I would hope) will be getting to activate the street and draw in visitors? Wouldn't that potentially be some incentive? On another note, if this project is supposedly financially viable and starting in less than a year, shouldn't there be some form of renderings, plans, visuals, anything outside of a photocopied list of bullet points that was circulated via Twitter?
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NOLA has solid sidewalks and decent streets in the high traffic areas of the city, outside of those areas I'm not sure I've been in a city with worse streets and sidewalks.
I would also argue that STL should make this tradeoff to some extent. Downtown should have the best sidewalks in our city, followed by our key retail corridors.
I would also argue that STL should make this tradeoff to some extent. Downtown should have the best sidewalks in our city, followed by our key retail corridors.
Think it's worth noting you are talking about the same NOLA that didn't have proper protection on Bourbon St. for the NYE incident. Shocking that a street of that stature didn't have bollards in place that prevent that situation.
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I believe they did have bollards - they were just taken down for the night for a weird reason?legendrey wrote: ↑May 15, 2025Think it's worth noting you are talking about the same NOLA that didn't have proper protection on Bourbon St. for the NYE incident. Shocking that a street of that stature didn't have bollards in place that prevent that situation.
Wouldn't argue against that at all. St. Louis really does not spend enough capital on its commercial corridors.GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑May 15, 2025NOLA has solid sidewalks and decent streets in the high traffic areas of the city, outside of those areas I'm not sure I've been in a city with worse streets and sidewalks.
I would also argue that STL should make this tradeoff to some extent. Downtown should have the best sidewalks in our city, followed by our key retail corridors.