Do any of our universities have strong robotics programs that could see a recruitment boost from this event? Anybody with a program should at least have a booth at this thing.
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You would think this would be a great opportunity for UofI, S&T, Mizzou, and of course WashU and SLU.
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I'm sure the topic of the streets downtown has been addressed in previous threads. However, is there a solid plan to repave the streets in the CBD? I ran in a marathon Saturday & the streets are in terrible shape. It is more than just potholes. The utilities do a miserable job patching/paving the streets after digging them up. They should be held accountable. I saw at least 5 kids on the ground crying with ankle sprains & other injuries.
Also, what is the status of the demo of the Railway Exchange garage & Railway Exchange Building? That was an absolute eyesore, amongst other unoccupied &/or abandoned buildings in the CBD.
The Landing looks dead, but there are some nice buildings. The riverfront & Arch grounds (as we know) are SO underutilized! We are missing such a great opportunity with the Arch & National Park being there. We should have a bustling tourist destination there. Riverboats, street vendors, you name it. Then the events will come more frequently. The Arch should lead to tourists entering the Landing for meals & light entertainment after they go to the Arch & museum. I am so disappointed that this area is not bustling like it should be. The lid over I-70 should be a priority for STL & GAF.
So much potential!
On a positive note, BPV was bustling from dusk till dawn with the Girls on the Run marathon, SLU graduation crowds & WWE related crowds. If we can get the Millennium project going, BPV tower 2 & some other things going, maybe that momentum can spill over to the north & east.
Also, what is the status of the demo of the Railway Exchange garage & Railway Exchange Building? That was an absolute eyesore, amongst other unoccupied &/or abandoned buildings in the CBD.
The Landing looks dead, but there are some nice buildings. The riverfront & Arch grounds (as we know) are SO underutilized! We are missing such a great opportunity with the Arch & National Park being there. We should have a bustling tourist destination there. Riverboats, street vendors, you name it. Then the events will come more frequently. The Arch should lead to tourists entering the Landing for meals & light entertainment after they go to the Arch & museum. I am so disappointed that this area is not bustling like it should be. The lid over I-70 should be a priority for STL & GAF.
So much potential!
On a positive note, BPV was bustling from dusk till dawn with the Girls on the Run marathon, SLU graduation crowds & WWE related crowds. If we can get the Millennium project going, BPV tower 2 & some other things going, maybe that momentum can spill over to the north & east.
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the Landing is doing very well actually, its never going to be a place people got party anymore but the residential aspect is doing very well.
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I wonder when we might see our first Landing infill project.
The neighborhood needs several.
I also wonder if the casino will fight or assist with neighborhood growth, and if there is much the city can do if they decide to fight.
The neighborhood needs several.
I also wonder if the casino will fight or assist with neighborhood growth, and if there is much the city can do if they decide to fight.
For all of the people that yearn for they heyday of "The Landing" lets not forget that while it was a great compact area to party:
- there was barely anything in The Grove
- there was no Ballpark Village, the bars in the Cupples complex or much else around Busch
- Maggie OBriens was much more popular as they had a 3am license. Then across the street you had the stretch of clubs where The Pitch is now. Plus there were a few clubs in the building where the City SC offices are now.
- Soulard was probably 1/2 to 1/4 as popular.
- Washington Ave existed as an alternative with places like 1227, Galaxy, Cheetah etc. But plenty of people that would happily go to the Landing recoiled in mock horror at the thought of going to one of those places.
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Since the Landing is going for more of a "neighborhood" I would like to see some "light entertainment", dining & shops for people visiting the Arch & those living there. I'd also like to see more riverfront activation; riverboats & vendors as mentioned. I was there Saturday & people come to the Arch & head back to their cars. Nobody goes to the Landing other than parking. I love having the variety of districts. However, The Landing in it's heyday was a Midwest destination & definitely an STL destination. It might have been over the top, but it was uniquely STL. It felt like a party version of Old St. Charles. You have it right Dweebe. What made it special was MS. Nights, Boomers, Sundeckers, Morgan St. etc. If they could have filled in the rest with residential, neighborhood serving amenities.. ie restaurants & shops, that was the answer. I know those days have passed, but I do long for the old Landing. It was SO St. Louis. It was our Beale St., our mini-French Quarter entertainment-wise. If the residential thing stalls at any point, I would like to see it converted to a district for music, comedy & dance clubs. Just my 2 cents.
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I think Laclede's Landing would greatly benefit from development of the north riverfront, north of Carr St.
I'd like to see a major push for new infill development in Laclede's Landing and between the Arch and Stan Musial Bridge.
Would the casino ever go for development of their N. 2nd St. surface parking lot? Would they ever be okay with N. 1st St. and N. 2nd St. becoming bridges between Laclede's Landing and that area between the Stan Musial and Martin Luther King, Jr. bridges?
As it is, the casino's manspreading kills vibrancy.
If allowed to become true N/S corridors, both streets go straight into the Arch grounds. Could make riverfront living, working, playing more attractive.
I'd like to see a major push for new infill development in Laclede's Landing and between the Arch and Stan Musial Bridge.
Would the casino ever go for development of their N. 2nd St. surface parking lot? Would they ever be okay with N. 1st St. and N. 2nd St. becoming bridges between Laclede's Landing and that area between the Stan Musial and Martin Luther King, Jr. bridges?
As it is, the casino's manspreading kills vibrancy.
If allowed to become true N/S corridors, both streets go straight into the Arch grounds. Could make riverfront living, working, playing more attractive.
I would think the Casino would want the area developed for perception sake. I mean this has to be the Four Seasons most blighted location in the world.RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑May 12, 2025I think Laclede's Landing would greatly benefit from development of the north riverfront, north of Carr St.
I'd like to see a major push for new infill development in Laclede's Landing and between the Arch and Stan Musial Bridge.
Would the casino ever go for development of their N. 2nd St. surface parking lot? Would they ever be okay with N. 1st St. and N. 2nd St. becoming bridges between Laclede's Landing and that area between the Stan Musial and Martin Luther King, Jr. bridges?
As it is, the casino's manspreading kills vibrancy.
If allowed to become true N/S corridors, both streets go straight into the Arch grounds. Could make riverfront living, working, playing more attractive.
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I feel like St. Louis could take the area bounded by the highway to the west, the river to the east, the Arch grounds to the south, and the Stan Musial Bridge to the north, and turn it into one of the most attractive pedestrian- and biking-friendly communities in the region.
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Rush rush gridlock traffic seems to be reappearing in downtown agian.
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It’s disheartening to see what the Downtown Neighborhood Association has become. Once a respected and influential organization, with a full-time executive director, vibrant events like Taste of Downtown, and competitive board elections, it played a meaningful role in shaping the civic conversation. Its opinions used to matter at City Hall and in the media.
Now, unfortunately, it feels like a shadow of what it once was. A media member recently remarked that the only time he attends DNA meetings anymore is “when I need a quote from the cranks.” That kind of reputation shift is telling and troubling. At a recent meeting, barely 20 people showed up. Under the current leadership of Dan Pistor and James Page, what was once a vital institution has been allowed to wither.
Downtown St. Louis deserves a credible, organized, and forward-looking residential voice. Right now, it has none. And that’s a major loss at a time when this neighborhood needs real advocacy more than ever.
On the positive note, editors at multiple news orgs have now banned their reporters from using quotes from “Citizen for Greater Downtown”.
Now, unfortunately, it feels like a shadow of what it once was. A media member recently remarked that the only time he attends DNA meetings anymore is “when I need a quote from the cranks.” That kind of reputation shift is telling and troubling. At a recent meeting, barely 20 people showed up. Under the current leadership of Dan Pistor and James Page, what was once a vital institution has been allowed to wither.
Downtown St. Louis deserves a credible, organized, and forward-looking residential voice. Right now, it has none. And that’s a major loss at a time when this neighborhood needs real advocacy more than ever.
On the positive note, editors at multiple news orgs have now banned their reporters from using quotes from “Citizen for Greater Downtown”.
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Criticism and holding people accountable are important but the discourse coming out of that org in recent times has been so so so overly negative that it does nothing but hurt downtown.
Have you been down there recently? They have the street completely gated off and closed. They have completely cut off the Four Seasons and the casino from the rest of the Landing. Very much seems like they would be opposed to development. Actually, on that note, I think some of the tax incentives they received required them to develop more of the Landing (the initial renderings are somewhere in this forum), but of course they never did and no penalties/fines that were agreed upon were ever issued, at least to my knowledge.goat314 wrote: ↑May 12, 2025I would think the Casino would want the area developed for perception sake. I mean this has to be the Four Seasons most blighted location in the world.RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑May 12, 2025I think Laclede's Landing would greatly benefit from development of the north riverfront, north of Carr St.
I'd like to see a major push for new infill development in Laclede's Landing and between the Arch and Stan Musial Bridge.
Would the casino ever go for development of their N. 2nd St. surface parking lot? Would they ever be okay with N. 1st St. and N. 2nd St. becoming bridges between Laclede's Landing and that area between the Stan Musial and Martin Luther King, Jr. bridges?
As it is, the casino's manspreading kills vibrancy.
If allowed to become true N/S corridors, both streets go straight into the Arch grounds. Could make riverfront living, working, playing more attractive.
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The casino has a very bad effect on Laclede's Landing and the north riverfront, and until the city or a developer can push them to do better, I don't believe that they will. They're perfectly okay with the casino being its own little island with very little nearby competition for entertainment.
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I'm pretty sure the casino owns Sundeckers and the former Big Daddy's space. I don't think they are even marketing them. Pretty sure they are actively keeping the Landing down on purpose. Would love for our new mayor to hold their feet to the fire on this a little bit, but that's probably a pipe dream.
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Positive that all the landing stakeholders are aligned in the direction
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In the direction the Landing should go?
You're confident the casino wants to see a healthy neighborhood?
You're confident the casino wants to see a healthy neighborhood?
The area north of the landing is so bad, I'd be willing to sell it Cordish for a cheesy, tourist, entertainment district to compliment the casino. A few high rise hotels, chain stores, and neon lights wouldn't make me mad. Something like streets of St. Charles wouldn't miss me off either. That area is just so desolate.RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑May 15, 2025In the direction the Landing should go?
You're confident the casino wants to see a healthy neighborhood?
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Yeah, if St. Louis could get a Streets of St. Charles and Riverpointe-type combo for the area between Eads and Stan Musial, I'd take it.
I think you need to add Drury along with casino to the conversation on Landing if they still own that prime spot. My thoughts is getting Drury or selling to someone who can move forward on hotel/residential tower at that spot would be huge for the landing maybe with incentives or buyout of there existing space next to convention space as a broader plan.
Of course, I also think that keeps some of the Rams funds to keep moving Convention Space Expansion phase II moving forward and or maybe some kind of deal like a Drury buyout is a winner for the city. Just thinking of the announcement of upcoming robotics for example. The idea of not using some of Rams funding not being used for convention space and or immediate infrastructure around space being near northside and or Laclede's landing is a huge miss opportunity for longevity for area.
Of course, I also think that keeps some of the Rams funds to keep moving Convention Space Expansion phase II moving forward and or maybe some kind of deal like a Drury buyout is a winner for the city. Just thinking of the announcement of upcoming robotics for example. The idea of not using some of Rams funding not being used for convention space and or immediate infrastructure around space being near northside and or Laclede's landing is a huge miss opportunity for longevity for area.
In some frustrating news, the creative services/marketing comms agencies Momentum & Weber Shandwick have vacated their floor at Anthem building (1831 Chestnut). Unsure where they'll end up or if they go full remote. about 75 folks but, with WFH policies, all 75 were never in the office at once.
I can't say this is why they're leaving but many staff didn't like far west DT area, citing the usual reasons - felt unsafe, lack of amenities (no coffee shop and limited restaurants within reasonable walking distance), grungy/dirty parking garages, etc.
I can't say this is why they're leaving but many staff didn't like far west DT area, citing the usual reasons - felt unsafe, lack of amenities (no coffee shop and limited restaurants within reasonable walking distance), grungy/dirty parking garages, etc.
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There is like 10 restaurants within .25 of a mile
And 20+ within half a mile to .75 of a mile
And 20+ within half a mile to .75 of a mile
Denis, I know you are the only downtown PR guy and DT badly needs it. But, I worked in that building and the lack of amenities compared to office buildings closer to like 10th and Washington is real. Despite the soccer stadium addition, that area just isn't all that nice, yet.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑May 15, 2025There is like 10 restaurants within .25 of a mile
And 20+ within half a mile to .75 of a mile
And, come on, anything more than a 20-min round-trip walk for a business-day lunch is unreasonable. (And, I likely walk the city more than you, Denis.)