The relationship with the state is already compromised and it’s 100% the fault of Jeff City. If she’s actually concerned with maintaining the city-state relationship, it’s shows just how out of touch she is - there is no relationship.addxb2 wrote: ↑May 07, 2025Cara heads to Jefferson City.
St. Louis mayor, governor discuss Rams funds, downtown investment during meeting at Capitol
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... ed3c2.html
- Both agree investments in Downtown are key. Likely difference on how.
- Cara has a cautious approach to police takeover. I don’t think she’s interested in litigation or compromising further the poor state relationship.
- Cara emphasized importance of earnings tax.
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So happy for the good MAGA folks of rural Mo who have no capital gains to deduct.
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It’s not true at all that St Louis has no relationship with Jeff City. That will never be the case. Jeff City has been a bad partner to St Louis, but improving that relationship only helps St Louis.JaneJacobsGhost wrote:The relationship with the state is already compromised and it’s 100% the fault of Jeff City. If she’s actually concerned with maintaining the city-state relationship, it’s shows just how out of touch she is - there is no relationship.addxb2 wrote: ↑May 07, 2025Cara heads to Jefferson City.
St. Louis mayor, governor discuss Rams funds, downtown investment during meeting at Capitol
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... ed3c2.html
- Both agree investments in Downtown are key. Likely difference on how.
- Cara has a cautious approach to police takeover. I don’t think she’s interested in litigation or compromising further the poor state relationship.
- Cara emphasized importance of earnings tax.
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It wasn’t out of touch when Tishaura went to Jeff City to advocate for St Louis’ priorities and I don’t recall you calling her out for that. Same goes for Cara.
The bigger question is: How much middle ground do you want with people who are repealing capital gains taxes, Section 8 discrimination protections, forcing you to spend tens of millions more on police, stripping away voter approved paid sick leave and minimum wage provisions, and have said they want to get rid of the income tax.....?
This isn't Mike Parson or Dean Plocher anymore.
This isn't Mike Parson or Dean Plocher anymore.
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It’s not about finding a middle ground with people we disagree with ideologically. Any Mayor of St Louis has to try their best to work with Jeff City because they have an influence over St Louis whether we like it or not. This is especially true as long as they control our police.
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She can go to Jeff City to beg the meth heads all she wants. But capitulating on police dept takeover without a fight is weak and pathetic and will do nothing to change Jeff City’s attitude toward STLDebaliviere91 wrote: ↑May 08, 2025It wasn’t out of touch when Tishaura went to Jeff City to advocate for St Louis’ priorities and I don’t recall you calling her out for that. Same goes for Cara.
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Ok. The original post you responded to was also about advocating for St Louis’ priorities and a measured approach to the police takeover isn’t the same thing as capitulating.JaneJacobsGhost wrote:She can go to Jeff City to beg the meth heads all she wants. But capitulating on police dept takeover without a fight is weak and pathetic and will do nothing to change Jeff City’s attitude toward STLDebaliviere91 wrote: ↑May 08, 2025It wasn’t out of touch when Tishaura went to Jeff City to advocate for St Louis’ priorities and I don’t recall you calling her out for that. Same goes for Cara.
If there is a legal route that has a reasonable chance of changing the outcome of the police takeover, I haven’t seen it.
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My original post was a response to bullet #2 in post #697.
The relationship with the state is fully compromised.
And frankly, I wouldn’t have it any other way. I don’t want a good relationship with an entity that earnestly yearns for Jim Crow and Christian fundamentalism. Screw them.
KC and StL should 100% take the Republican approach of becoming ungovernable. Become such a thorn in Jeff City’s side that Jeff City can either 1. Dedicate all its time to fighting us or 2. Just let us do our thing
The relationship with the state is fully compromised.
And frankly, I wouldn’t have it any other way. I don’t want a good relationship with an entity that earnestly yearns for Jim Crow and Christian fundamentalism. Screw them.
KC and StL should 100% take the Republican approach of becoming ungovernable. Become such a thorn in Jeff City’s side that Jeff City can either 1. Dedicate all its time to fighting us or 2. Just let us do our thing
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^ Yep. "MOLEG has made their decision, now let them enforce it".
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What does “become ungovernable” mean actually? What are some specific things the City should be doing to become ungovernable?JaneJacobsGhost wrote:My original post was a response to bullet #2 in post #697.
The relationship with the state is fully compromised.
And frankly, I wouldn’t have it any other way. I don’t want a good relationship with an entity that earnestly yearns for Jim Crow and Christian fundamentalism. Screw them.
KC and StL should 100% take the Republican approach of becoming ungovernable. Become such a thorn in Jeff City’s side that Jeff City can either 1. Dedicate all its time to fighting us or 2. Just let us do our thing
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Sue them at every turn. Use city resources to assist in initiative petitions that hurt the legislature. Be creative with legislation to obtain your goals (gun control, tenants rights, urbanism). Who cares if they sue. Keep them bogged down in the courts.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑May 10, 2025What does “become ungovernable” mean actually? What are some specific things the City should be doing to become ungovernable?JaneJacobsGhost wrote:My original post was a response to bullet #2 in post #697.
The relationship with the state is fully compromised.
And frankly, I wouldn’t have it any other way. I don’t want a good relationship with an entity that earnestly yearns for Jim Crow and Christian fundamentalism. Screw them.
KC and StL should 100% take the Republican approach of becoming ungovernable. Become such a thorn in Jeff City’s side that Jeff City can either 1. Dedicate all its time to fighting us or 2. Just let us do our thing
The first strep is fighting them tooth and nail on the police takeover. Constitutional amendment that the state cannot takeover any Missouri local law enforcement agency. This would pass easily in rural mo
The rise of rural populism in the US is such a huge opportunity for Missouri democrats. They should seize it.
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Democrats and seizing opportunities to help themselves: name a less iconic duo.
Democrats literally voted in favor of the police takeover and capital gains tax cut. They're pretty useless.
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I do like the idea of focusing on local legislation that helps us accomplish our goals in St Louis.
I disagree that a constitutional amendment banning any state takeover of local police has any chance of passing in rural MO. I think it would get crushed. They know that currently that bill passing would only help liberals in STL and KC and they aren’t motivated to do that. More importantly, in St Louis the state takeover has a lot of support from the police themselves. Rural Missourians are going to support the police.
Wasting city resources fighting Jeff City in the courts on things we have no chance of winning is an emotional response that hurts St Louis more than it does Jeff City. It’s a waste of our resources.
I disagree that a constitutional amendment banning any state takeover of local police has any chance of passing in rural MO. I think it would get crushed. They know that currently that bill passing would only help liberals in STL and KC and they aren’t motivated to do that. More importantly, in St Louis the state takeover has a lot of support from the police themselves. Rural Missourians are going to support the police.
Wasting city resources fighting Jeff City in the courts on things we have no chance of winning is an emotional response that hurts St Louis more than it does Jeff City. It’s a waste of our resources.
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Ya know... STL and KC getting really good at constitutional amendments might actually be a good strategy...Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑May 11, 2025I do like the idea of focusing on local legislation that helps us accomplish our goals in St Louis.
I disagree that a constitutional amendment banning any state takeover of local police has any chance of passing in rural MO. I think it would get crushed. They know that currently that bill passing would only help liberals in STL and KC and they aren’t motivated to do that. More importantly, in St Louis the state takeover has a lot of support from the police themselves. Rural Missourians are going to support the police.
Wasting city resources fighting Jeff City in the courts on things we have no chance of winning is an emotional response that hurts St Louis more than it does Jeff City. It’s a waste of our resources.
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I agree. I don’t think it would be enough to overcome the lack of support in the suburbs and rural MO in this specific instance though.pattimagee wrote:Ya know... STL and KC getting really good at constitutional amendments might actually be a good strategy...Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑May 11, 2025I do like the idea of focusing on local legislation that helps us accomplish our goals in St Louis.
I disagree that a constitutional amendment banning any state takeover of local police has any chance of passing in rural MO. I think it would get crushed. They know that currently that bill passing would only help liberals in STL and KC and they aren’t motivated to do that. More importantly, in St Louis the state takeover has a lot of support from the police themselves. Rural Missourians are going to support the police.
Wasting city resources fighting Jeff City in the courts on things we have no chance of winning is an emotional response that hurts St Louis more than it does Jeff City. It’s a waste of our resources.
Mo voters passed giving local control of SLMPD to Stl in 2012. Rex's money helped of course.
I heard that the state is trying to change the constitutional amendment process too. Raising the requirement to say 60% like it is in Florida would make changing the state constitution impossible, virtually ensuring right wing legislative rule forever.pattimagee wrote: ↑May 12, 2025Ya know... STL and KC getting really good at constitutional amendments might actually be a good strategy...Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑May 11, 2025I do like the idea of focusing on local legislation that helps us accomplish our goals in St Louis.
I disagree that a constitutional amendment banning any state takeover of local police has any chance of passing in rural MO. I think it would get crushed. They know that currently that bill passing would only help liberals in STL and KC and they aren’t motivated to do that. More importantly, in St Louis the state takeover has a lot of support from the police themselves. Rural Missourians are going to support the police.
Wasting city resources fighting Jeff City in the courts on things we have no chance of winning is an emotional response that hurts St Louis more than it does Jeff City. It’s a waste of our resources.
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Isn't there a group trying to start an initiative process to protect ballot initiatives in Missouri from government overstep?
Yes, they've been trying to put in on the ballot that last few years.goat314 wrote: ↑May 12, 2025I heard that the state is trying to change the constitutional amendment process too. Raising the requirement to say 60% like it is in Florida would make changing the state constitution impossible, virtually ensuring right wing legislative rule forever.pattimagee wrote: ↑May 12, 2025Ya know... STL and KC getting really good at constitutional amendments might actually be a good strategy...Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑May 11, 2025I do like the idea of focusing on local legislation that helps us accomplish our goals in St Louis.
I disagree that a constitutional amendment banning any state takeover of local police has any chance of passing in rural MO. I think it would get crushed. They know that currently that bill passing would only help liberals in STL and KC and they aren’t motivated to do that. More importantly, in St Louis the state takeover has a lot of support from the police themselves. Rural Missourians are going to support the police.
Wasting city resources fighting Jeff City in the courts on things we have no chance of winning is an emotional response that hurts St Louis more than it does Jeff City. It’s a waste of our resources.
Stuff like this would ultimately end up with me moving to Pittsburgh or Philadelphia down the line. There's just not anything attractive to being in a state so hostile to improving itself.goat314 wrote: ↑May 12, 2025I heard that the state is trying to change the constitutional amendment process too. Raising the requirement to say 60% like it is in Florida would make changing the state constitution impossible, virtually ensuring right wing legislative rule forever.pattimagee wrote: ↑May 12, 2025Ya know... STL and KC getting really good at constitutional amendments might actually be a good strategy...Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑May 11, 2025I do like the idea of focusing on local legislation that helps us accomplish our goals in St Louis.
I disagree that a constitutional amendment banning any state takeover of local police has any chance of passing in rural MO. I think it would get crushed. They know that currently that bill passing would only help liberals in STL and KC and they aren’t motivated to do that. More importantly, in St Louis the state takeover has a lot of support from the police themselves. Rural Missourians are going to support the police.
Wasting city resources fighting Jeff City in the courts on things we have no chance of winning is an emotional response that hurts St Louis more than it does Jeff City. It’s a waste of our resources.
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Respect MO VotersRockChalkSTL wrote: ↑May 12, 2025Isn't there a group trying to start an initiative process to protect ballot initiatives in Missouri from government overstep?
Really need the following ballot initiatives/constitutional amendments to pass:
- reinstate non-partisan redistricting
- reinstate ranked-choice voting
- enshrine ballot initiative percentages at 50% +1 in the constitution