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dweebe wrote: ↑

May 02, 2025

DogtownBnR wrote: ↑

May 02, 2025

With the proximity to "CityPark", there is no reason this entire site should not be developed soon. Makes no sense to me.

These two hotels were meant for visiting Wells Fargo management and trainees with the assumption the higher ranks would get the Kimpton and the lower ranks the Staybridge.

Dweebe's comment I think rings true on what the developer is looking for at end of day and soccer stadium/events a nice add on to fill rooms during weekends, etc..    Maybe NGA will play a role but gut feeling is that is another wait and see.   

I guess my questions, is the first hotel moving forward a residence type and or straight up overnight?   I would think that one of the hotels if not mistaken is residence type which to me is absolutely positively driven how Wells Fargo moves forward on workforce.  

dweebe wrote: ↑

May 02, 2025

It's sad we're at nearly 5 years since the first rendering and....nothing.

Wouldn't say nothing.  They tore down a historic building.....

dredger wrote: ↑

May 02, 2025

dweebe wrote: ↑

May 02, 2025

DogtownBnR wrote: ↑

May 02, 2025

With the proximity to "CityPark", there is no reason this entire site should not be developed soon. Makes no sense to me.

These two hotels were meant for visiting Wells Fargo management and trainees with the assumption the higher ranks would get the Kimpton and the lower ranks the Staybridge.

Dweebe's comment I think rings true on what the developer is looking for at end of day and soccer stadium/events a nice add on to fill rooms during weekends, etc..    Maybe NGA will play a role but gut feeling is that is another wait and see.   

I guess my questions, is the first hotel moving forward a residence type and or straight up overnight?   I would think that one of the hotels if not mistaken is residence type which to me is absolutely positively driven how Wells Fargo moves forward on workforce.  

Straight up overnight. Kimptons are normal mid to full service hotels. In some places they trend somewhat boutique-ish. Think Marriott AC or Hilton "Hilton" or Hilton Doubletree.

Staybridges are more longer stays along the line of a Hilton Homewood Suites or Marriott TownePlace and Residence Inns.

ya ya the building is gone
Ok lets do a wawa there (its in Indiana)
https://www.wawa.com/

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑

May 02, 2025

DogtownBnR wrote: ↑

May 02, 2025

dweebe wrote: ↑

May 02, 2025

MLS stadiums just don't get much use as concert venues.

• Geodis Park in Nashville only has two concerts scheduled this year. 
• Children's Mercy doesn't have anything on their calendar.
• Allianz Park in St. Paul only has one electronic dance music festival scheduled.
• TQL in Cincinnati only has two concerts scheduled. 
• Lower.com in Columbus only shows soccer on their calendar

As mentioned, I would expect that to change if MLS goes to a European schedule. That will open up the venues for most of the summer. EPL goes from mid-August to late May with a break in Jan-Feb. That would give ownership lots of flexibility to bring in teams from Europe to play friendlies, summer concerts & other events. As of now, a concert would be hard considering the impact that would have on the grass. 

Would this hurt attendance in a lot of markets? I have no idea, not very knowledgeable of the league. I would imagine November and December being less well attended months than June and July though.

Plus isnt it just about one home game a week? I feel like there’s plenty of time to fit in concerts. 8-9 months for around only 20 home games leave a lot of space (which by the way feels like a long season for only 30 something total games in the first place)

MLS going to a European schedule would significantly & negatively impact attendance in cold weather locations like MN. 

There is typically one game/week or less considering road games, but I'm not sure the grass could handle all of that abuse. It is easier at Busch due to the infield being mostly dirt. 

Regarding the season, it is a very long season. However, there are several in-season tournaments such as Concacaf Champions Cup, US Open Cup, Leagues Cup  & Canadian Championship. 

chris fuller wrote: ↑

May 02, 2025

ya ya the building is gone
Ok lets do a wawa there (its in Indiana)
https://www.wawa.com/

Access to Wawa in Maryland led to my ongoing iced coffee addiction.

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑

May 02, 2025

DogtownBnR wrote: ↑

May 02, 2025

dweebe wrote: ↑

May 02, 2025

MLS stadiums just don't get much use as concert venues.

• Geodis Park in Nashville only has two concerts scheduled this year. 
• Children's Mercy doesn't have anything on their calendar.
• Allianz Park in St. Paul only has one electronic dance music festival scheduled.
• TQL in Cincinnati only has two concerts scheduled. 
• Lower.com in Columbus only shows soccer on their calendar

As mentioned, I would expect that to change if MLS goes to a European schedule. That will open up the venues for most of the summer. EPL goes from mid-August to late May with a break in Jan-Feb. That would give ownership lots of flexibility to bring in teams from Europe to play friendlies, summer concerts & other events. As of now, a concert would be hard considering the impact that would have on the grass. 

Would this hurt attendance in a lot of markets? I have no idea, not very knowledgeable of the league. I would imagine November and December being less well attended months than June and July though.

If they break Jan/Feb I don’t think it would hurt too bad here. You miss the worst cold months and you avoid the brutally hot months you play in now. You could always catch an extra cold nov/dec game but if the NFL manages I think soccer would be fine.

Northern cities probably would hate it more, but southern cities it would be much better.

It could probably be reclad and somewhat updated for fairly cheap

Back in the '50s and '60s, people thought it was a good idea to reclad "old-fashioned" buildings to "update" their look. Now we all mourn  what was lost. Please, let's not make the same shortsighted mistakes again. Recladding is almost aways a bad idea. 

It's a classic example of Mid Century Modern architecture (although I suspect those pointy roof thingies and the driveway coverings are a later addition; not in keeping with the original architecture). 

We've already lost a great many buildings from that period; we need to preserve what we have left. Again, architectural tastes change and evolve; what's considered out-of-date one day will be greatly admired again at some point in the future. 

Not particularly fond of the building but my problem is more with its layout and street interaction that resemble a hotel you’d see right off the interstate exit in a town of 15,000 people, not a hotel in the heart of the center of a major city.

dweebe wrote: ↑

Jun 03, 2025

What's notable and architecturally important about this?



By the way, the brand history going backwards is Pear Tree Inn >>> Drury Inn >>> Hampton Inn: but I'm blanking on what it was before that?

Correction:

It started (built) as Holiday Inn, in the 90s it was bought by the Drury Family but they put the Hampton Inn flag on it since they operated the Drury Inn at Union Station. It was short lived before they branded it to their Pear Tree Inn branding in the early 2000s. That property is built solid with interior concrete walls (not poorly constructed at all. Drury has redone the interior of the hotel several times in the past two decades and the hotel offers a nice family pricing for downtown. It also gets great reviews. I know the Drury family and they are planning on renovating the interior and exterior of the hotel soon. This.was on their short list prior to Covid but was moved back to accommodate expansion across the country. They rebranded the Converntion Center Drury to Pear Tree about 2 years ago. That hotel property they wanted to unload and build a new hotel on Laclede's Landing prior to Covid as well. That property is doing fine as a Pear Tree. The market street property was never branded as a signature Drury Hotel (Inn) name. It has only been the three flags since it was built.

They deserved to be closed down, doors chained, and assets auctioned for what they did. But the American people hate the American consumer.

JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑

Jun 04, 2025

They deserved to be closed down, doors chained, and assets auctioned for what they did. But the American people hate the American consumer.

Are they the ones that were opening fake accounts?  To make goals and quotas?

Yes. They were opening credit cards too