Is anything happening here?
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Kimpton is. Other hotel isn’t is the latest I’ve heard
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Interesting. I was told that the city kills development by not “working with developers”. Seems like this developer didn’t actually have what it was selling.
Glad we got the bond.
Glad we got the bond.
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What is the justification for only the one hotel?
Heard they had another round of layoffs last week. But it's WF-wide as they're enforcing the return to office more.
Not sure but hotel financing market is very tight right now. Labor inflation is killerTheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote:What is the justification for only the one hotel?
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Remember when it was “city hall’s red tape kills development!?”
RE developers are all full of sh*t
RE developers are all full of sh*t
Article in the Biz Journal says they are planning to build the hotels in two phases to lower risk and make financing easier. Surface parking will take the place of the second hotel until it is built. I guess we shall see how that works out in the long-term.
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HA HA I will believe it when they start preparing the foundation In the meantime it looks like a great fire pit with all the tree stumps and limbs
They applied money in escrow toward the permit fee, as it was meant to be.
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Future QT site? The pit is more than adequate for the fuel tanks
So, the one that's "moving forward" is the red box and the one that will begin construction in 2055 is the yellow box?
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With the proximity to "CityPark", there is no reason this entire site should not be developed soon. Makes no sense to me.
Soccer is just 20 something events a year and most of the fans are locals. Not enough to make a hotel viable.DogtownBnR wrote: ↑May 02, 2025With the proximity to "CityPark", there is no reason this entire site should not be developed soon. Makes no sense to me.
These two hotels were meant for visiting Wells Fargo management and trainees with the assumption the higher ranks would get the Kimpton and the lower ranks the Staybridge.
I'd rather see Wells sell off the parking lot at the southwest corner of Market and Jefferson then have someone build residential there.
It's sad we're at nearly 5 years since the first rendering and....nothing.
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I agree. Residential is the best option & that is what I was referring to. I do think CityPark has potential to host many more events than 20. They should be hosting concerts, other soccer & non-soccer related events. That was how the venue was advertised, but that has yet to come to fruition. I know it is tough to squeeze in those events with the MLS season overlapping the summer concert season. That may change if MLS goes to a European soccer schedule. As much as that makes sense, I really enjoy summer soccer.dweebe wrote: ↑May 02, 2025Soccer is just 20 something events a year and most of the fans are locals. Not enough to make a hotel viable.DogtownBnR wrote: ↑May 02, 2025With the proximity to "CityPark", there is no reason this entire site should not be developed soon. Makes no sense to me.
These two hotels were meant for visiting Wells Fargo management and trainees with the assumption the higher ranks would get the Kimpton and the lower ranks the Staybridge.
I'd rather see Wells sell off the parking lot at the southwest corner of Market and Jefferson then have someone build residential there.
MLS stadiums just don't get much use as concert venues.DogtownBnR wrote: ↑May 02, 2025I agree. Residential is the best option & that is what I was referring to. I do think CityPark has potential to host many more events than 20. They should be hosting concerts, other soccer & non-soccer related events. That was how the venue was advertised, but that has yet to come to fruition. I know it is tough to squeeze in those events with the MLS season overlapping the summer concert season. That may change if MLS goes to a European soccer schedule. As much as that makes sense, I really enjoy summer soccer.dweebe wrote: ↑May 02, 2025Soccer is just 20 something events a year and most of the fans are locals. Not enough to make a hotel viable.DogtownBnR wrote: ↑May 02, 2025With the proximity to "CityPark", there is no reason this entire site should not be developed soon. Makes no sense to me.
These two hotels were meant for visiting Wells Fargo management and trainees with the assumption the higher ranks would get the Kimpton and the lower ranks the Staybridge.
I'd rather see Wells sell off the parking lot at the southwest corner of Market and Jefferson then have someone build residential there.
- Geodis Park in Nashville has two concerts scheduled this year.
- Children's Mercy doesn't have anything on their calendar.
- Allianz Park in St. Paul only has one electronic dance music festival scheduled.
- TQL in Cincinnati has two concerts scheduled.
- Lower.com in Columbus only shows soccer on their calendar
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As mentioned, I would expect that to change if MLS goes to a European schedule. That will open up the venues for most of the summer. EPL goes from mid-August to late May with a break in Jan-Feb. That would give ownership lots of flexibility to bring in teams from Europe to play friendlies, summer concerts & other events. As of now, a concert would be hard considering the impact that would have on the grass.dweebe wrote: ↑May 02, 2025MLS stadiums just don't get much use as concert venues.DogtownBnR wrote: ↑May 02, 2025I agree. Residential is the best option & that is what I was referring to. I do think CityPark has potential to host many more events than 20. They should be hosting concerts, other soccer & non-soccer related events. That was how the venue was advertised, but that has yet to come to fruition. I know it is tough to squeeze in those events with the MLS season overlapping the summer concert season. That may change if MLS goes to a European soccer schedule. As much as that makes sense, I really enjoy summer soccer.dweebe wrote: ↑May 02, 2025Soccer is just 20 something events a year and most of the fans are locals. Not enough to make a hotel viable.
These two hotels were meant for visiting Wells Fargo management and trainees with the assumption the higher ranks would get the Kimpton and the lower ranks the Staybridge.
I'd rather see Wells sell off the parking lot at the southwest corner of Market and Jefferson then have someone build residential there.
- Geodis Park in Nashville only has two concerts scheduled this year.
- Children's Mercy doesn't have anything on their calendar.
- Allianz Park in St. Paul only has one electronic dance music festival scheduled.
- TQL in Cincinnati only has two concerts scheduled.
- Lower.com in Columbus only shows soccer on their calendar
It already is used for more than 20 something (probably closer to 40?) when you factor in city2 games, cup games, national team games, SLU/SIUe, etc.dweebe wrote: ↑May 02, 2025Soccer is just 20 something events a year and most of the fans are locals. Not enough to make a hotel viable.DogtownBnR wrote: ↑May 02, 2025With the proximity to "CityPark", there is no reason this entire site should not be developed soon. Makes no sense to me.
These two hotels were meant for visiting Wells Fargo management and trainees with the assumption the higher ranks would get the Kimpton and the lower ranks the Staybridge.
I'd rather see Wells sell off the parking lot at the southwest corner of Market and Jefferson then have someone build residential there.
THAT said most of those others aren’t going to bring basically anyone except local.
Would be nice to see it up closer to 60. But that probably would be a bit of a stretch.
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It’s used for about 45 soccer games a year between city, city2 and national team games but it’d also used already 20-30 times a year for corporate events. Boeing just had one
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Would this hurt attendance in a lot of markets? I have no idea, not very knowledgeable of the league. I would imagine November and December being less well attended months than June and July though.DogtownBnR wrote: ↑May 02, 2025As mentioned, I would expect that to change if MLS goes to a European schedule. That will open up the venues for most of the summer. EPL goes from mid-August to late May with a break in Jan-Feb. That would give ownership lots of flexibility to bring in teams from Europe to play friendlies, summer concerts & other events. As of now, a concert would be hard considering the impact that would have on the grass.dweebe wrote: ↑May 02, 2025MLS stadiums just don't get much use as concert venues.DogtownBnR wrote: ↑May 02, 2025I agree. Residential is the best option & that is what I was referring to. I do think CityPark has potential to host many more events than 20. They should be hosting concerts, other soccer & non-soccer related events. That was how the venue was advertised, but that has yet to come to fruition. I know it is tough to squeeze in those events with the MLS season overlapping the summer concert season. That may change if MLS goes to a European soccer schedule. As much as that makes sense, I really enjoy summer soccer.
- Geodis Park in Nashville only has two concerts scheduled this year.
- Children's Mercy doesn't have anything on their calendar.
- Allianz Park in St. Paul only has one electronic dance music festival scheduled.
- TQL in Cincinnati only has two concerts scheduled.
- Lower.com in Columbus only shows soccer on their calendar
Plus isnt it just about one home game a week? I feel like there’s plenty of time to fit in concerts. 8-9 months for around only 20 home games leave a lot of space (which by the way feels like a long season for only 30 something total games in the first place)