2025 St Louis Mayor's Race

Auggie · PostMar 28, 2025#14012025-03-28T03:18+00:00

Better yet- did anyone see the Post-Dispatch's endorsement of Spencer? They mentioned losing police officers but has 0 mentioned of large crime declines.

I decided to not mention it since the prevailing opinion on here is that the P-D is a sh*tty newspaper, but here we are, finding even more arbitrary nonsense to say instead of making an actual argument.

Is it really that hard to form an actual argument to support yourselves? I'd be so depressed if I believed something with no ability to defend it.

Baltimore Jack · PostMar 28, 2025#14022025-03-28T03:48+00:00

So your answer to St. Louis American's feelings based endorsement of Jones is to say what about the Post Dispatch endorsement of Spencer.

Whataboutism.

stlgasm · PostMar 28, 2025#14032025-03-28T03:51+00:00

Auggie, you're irrelevant. No one here is yearning for your validation. There have been many well reasoned arguments in support of Cara for mayor. You're free to dismiss them just like most of us have dismissed you. Just give it a rest already, we owe you nothing.

Auggie · PostMar 28, 2025#14042025-03-28T03:58+00:00

stlgasm wrote: ↑
Mar 28, 2025
Auggie, you're irrelevant. No one here is yearning for your validation. There have been many well reasoned arguments in support of Cara for mayor. You're free to dismiss them just like most of us have dismissed you. Just give it a rest already, we owe you nothing.

Please type one then.

All I ask is for you all to uphold this forum's mission:

"Members should expect mostly positive news and information to be disseminated here. This board is primarily meant to accentuate the positive regarding St. Louis as well as a place to exchange information. This is not a complaint board and not the place to post your rants. Serious users of this forum are interested in informed discussions. While everyone won't necessarily share the same opinions, we hope members will at least make an attempt to use logic and verifiable information in your posts. Lively, intelligent discussion is what we're about."

PostMar 28, 2025#14052025-03-28T04:12+00:00

Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑
Mar 28, 2025
So your answer to St. Louis American's feelings based endorsement of Jones is to say what about the Post Disoatch endorsement of Spencer.

Whataboutism.

My point was that the P-Ds was also feelings based, yet I nor anyone else talked about it on here. It's almost like I care about facts and things that matter while you care about feelings and things that literally don't matter at all- such as newspaper endorsements.

jivecitystl · PostMar 28, 2025#14062025-03-28T14:16+00:00

stldotage wrote: ↑
Mar 27, 2025
This is my attempt to compile a list of Jones criticisms I have read/seen/heard from local media outlets, social media, and fellow citizens and to summarize them in good faith.

January 2025 Snowstorm response - widely regarded as bungled, with a lot of buck-passing and deflection/downplaying

Unresponsive city services and poor department leadership (see above re: Betherny Williams at the Streets Dept. to name one example; trash collection being another; 911 call response rates/times, etc.)

Combative/Trumpian style (a turn off to some voters; an asset to others -- see the discussion above about the rally-crashing)

Sticking by Kim Gardner too long/not being more forceful in calling for her to resign / being perceived by centrist and right-leaning voters as a "Defund the Police" sympathizer (combined with police job vacancies)

Progressive consternation on the Workhouse issue / homeless encampments

Excessive travel/being absentee (per that Business Journal hit piece)

Running as a change agent but having her father and Slay's Richard Callow as advisors/defenders/spokesmen

The "Sins of the Father" - Virvus Jones' misdeeds polluting people's trust in Tishaura's integrity

Poor debate performance (there was an instance in one debate, I believe in the 2017 cycle, where Jones was asked to introduce herself and inexplicably glitched and said "pass", to name one example)

Continued City population loss (lowest population since the Civil War) - especially on the North Side

Downtown St. Louis vacancies, perceptions of crime, and a lack of coordinated strategy

Proposals to spend Rams money on social services/direct transfers rather than focusing on a long-term strategy (interest-bearing savings) or immediate impacts (downtown, infrastructure, etc.)

Potential fudging of homicide number reporting (https://missouriindependent.com/2022/03 ... uncounted/)

State (re)takeover of the police department happening under her watch

The SLDC/Bob Clark I-70/Goodfellow controversy

Metrolink Green Line reduction in scale

North Side Business ARPA Grants issues

Now, I'm not sure of how much of the above would tally into the "fact"/"fallacy" columns but that's not what I attempted to do. You can indeed spin some of the above into positives or downplay them. Crime numbers are significantly down, obviously. Downtown woes are likely overblown and several big projects have been announced under Jones' watch. Travel for fundraising/outreach/advocacy could be a net positive for the City and for the office. She did fight the state police takeover. She's a big Metrolink advocate. Etc. etc. etc.

stldotage FTW.

dbInSouthCity · PostMar 28, 2025#14072025-03-28T14:29+00:00

FTW would be explaining how as Mayor Spencer will do differently in any of those and the reason nobody is willing to do that is because there is no plan

Let’s look at downtown

Spending in the Downtown STL zip codes in 2024 was $1,810,000,000 vs $1,787,000,000 in 2023,

1.3% increase despite Cardinals drawing 500,000 less fans.

Clayton,MO
2023: $467,000,000
2024: $464,000,000
Change: -0.64%

Chesterfield, MO
2023: $1,745,000,000
2024: $1,719,00,000
Change: -1.50%

St.charles county
2023: $8,960,000,000
2024: $8,980,000,000

+0.22%

Across the state; downtown KC

2024: $604,000,000
2023: $590,000,000

Saint Louis City finished 2023 with 12,398 businesses and 2024 with 12,988, for a gain of 590.

Debaliviere91 · PostMar 28, 2025#14082025-03-28T14:45+00:00

dbInSouthCity wrote:FTW would be explaining how as Mayor Spencer will do differently in any of those and the reason nobody is willing to do that is because there is no plan

Let’s look at downtown

Spending in the Downtown STL zip codes in 2024 was $1,810,000,000 vs $1,787,000,000 in 2023,

1.3% increase despite Cardinals drawing 500,000 less fans.

Clayton,MO
2023: $467,000,000
2024: $464,000,000
Change: -0.64%

Chesterfield, MO
2023: $1,745,000,000
2024: $1,719,00,000
Change: -1.50%

St.charles county
2023: $8,960,000,000
2024: $8,980,000,000

+0.22%

Across the state; downtown KC

2024: $604,000,000
2023: $590,000,000

Saint Louis City finished 2023 with 12,398 businesses and 2024 with 12,988, for a gain of 590.

It’s about a 325K difference between those two years when factoring in the Cardinals and Blues.

I don’t think the downtown spending numbers from ‘23 to ‘24 really tell a meaningful story either way in terms of deciding between Spencer and Jones. You are looking at one year, the change is very minimal, and I think the most likely cause is continued incremental increases in returning to the office.

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jivecitystl · PostMar 28, 2025#14092025-03-28T14:52+00:00

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑
Mar 28, 2025
FTW would be explaining how as Mayor Spencer will do differently in any of those and the reason nobody is willing to do that is because there is no plan

Let’s look at downtown

Spending in the Downtown STL zip codes in 2024 was $1,810,000,000 vs $1,787,000,000 in 2023,

1.3% increase despite Cardinals drawing 500,000 less fans.

Clayton,MO
2023: $467,000,000
2024: $464,000,000
Change: -0.64%

Chesterfield, MO
2023: $1,745,000,000
2024: $1,719,00,000
Change: -1.50%

St.charles county
2023: $8,960,000,000
2024: $8,980,000,000

+0.22%

Across the state; downtown KC

2024: $604,000,000
2023: $590,000,000

Saint Louis City finished 2023 with 12,398 businesses and 2024 with 12,988, for a gain of 590.

Well the problematic missteps that stldotage outlined on page 55 of this thread apply to the current administration. Wonder if all the Jones supporters would line up to defend Cara Spencer if the tables were turned? Like if Cara Spencer were the incumbent mayor with an identical track record as Tishaura Jones, and Tishaura Jones were the challenger with an identical track record to Cara Spencer. Who would earn your vote?

dbInSouthCity · PostMar 28, 2025#14102025-03-28T15:00+00:00

jivecitystl wrote: ↑
Mar 28, 2025
dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑
Mar 28, 2025
FTW would be explaining how as Mayor Spencer will do differently in any of those and the reason nobody is willing to do that is because there is no plan

Let’s look at downtown

Spending in the Downtown STL zip codes in 2024 was $1,810,000,000 vs $1,787,000,000 in 2023,

1.3% increase despite Cardinals drawing 500,000 less fans.

Clayton,MO
2023: $467,000,000
2024: $464,000,000
Change: -0.64%

Chesterfield, MO
2023: $1,745,000,000
2024: $1,719,00,000
Change: -1.50%

St.charles county
2023: $8,960,000,000
2024: $8,980,000,000

+0.22%

Across the state; downtown KC

2024: $604,000,000
2023: $590,000,000

Saint Louis City finished 2023 with 12,398 businesses and 2024 with 12,988, for a gain of 590.
Well the problematic missteps that stldotage outlined on page 55 of this thread apply to the current administration. Wonder if all the Jones supporters would line up to defend Cara Spencer if the tables were turned? Like if Cara Spencer were the incumbent mayor with an identical track record as Tishaura Jones, and Tishaura Jones were the challenger with an identical track record to Cara Spencer. Who would earn your vote?

Spencer. This isn’t hard. Most of you are stuck on personalities of both and solely voting on that and vibes

jivecitystl · PostMar 28, 2025#14112025-03-28T15:08+00:00

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑
Mar 28, 2025
jivecitystl wrote: ↑
Mar 28, 2025
dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑
Mar 28, 2025
FTW would be explaining how as Mayor Spencer will do differently in any of those and the reason nobody is willing to do that is because there is no plan

Let’s look at downtown

Spending in the Downtown STL zip codes in 2024 was $1,810,000,000 vs $1,787,000,000 in 2023,

1.3% increase despite Cardinals drawing 500,000 less fans.

Clayton,MO
2023: $467,000,000
2024: $464,000,000
Change: -0.64%

Chesterfield, MO
2023: $1,745,000,000
2024: $1,719,00,000
Change: -1.50%

St.charles county
2023: $8,960,000,000
2024: $8,980,000,000

+0.22%

Across the state; downtown KC

2024: $604,000,000
2023: $590,000,000

Saint Louis City finished 2023 with 12,398 businesses and 2024 with 12,988, for a gain of 590.
Well the problematic missteps that stldotage outlined on page 55 of this thread apply to the current administration. Wonder if all the Jones supporters would line up to defend Cara Spencer if the tables were turned? Like if Cara Spencer were the incumbent mayor with an identical track record as Tishaura Jones, and Tishaura Jones were the challenger with an identical track record to Cara Spencer. Who would earn your vote?
Spencer. This isn’t hard. Most of you are stuck on personalities of both and solely voting on that and vibes

Would be very interested to see how you counter each and every charge on the list posted by stldotage.

JaneJacobsGhost · PostMar 28, 2025#14122025-03-28T15:35+00:00

jivecitystl wrote: ↑
Mar 28, 2025
dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑
Mar 28, 2025
FTW would be explaining how as Mayor Spencer will do differently in any of those and the reason nobody is willing to do that is because there is no plan

Let’s look at downtown

Spending in the Downtown STL zip codes in 2024 was $1,810,000,000 vs $1,787,000,000 in 2023,

1.3% increase despite Cardinals drawing 500,000 less fans.

Clayton,MO
2023: $467,000,000
2024: $464,000,000
Change: -0.64%

Chesterfield, MO
2023: $1,745,000,000
2024: $1,719,00,000
Change: -1.50%

St.charles county
2023: $8,960,000,000
2024: $8,980,000,000

+0.22%

Across the state; downtown KC

2024: $604,000,000
2023: $590,000,000

Saint Louis City finished 2023 with 12,398 businesses and 2024 with 12,988, for a gain of 590.
Well the problematic missteps that stldotage outlined on page 55 of this thread apply to the current administration. Wonder if all the Jones supporters would line up to defend Cara Spencer if the tables were turned? Like if Cara Spencer were the incumbent mayor with an identical track record as Tishaura Jones, and Tishaura Jones were the challenger with an identical track record to Cara Spencer. Who would earn your vote?

Yes, if Spencer and Jones were switched we would be defending Spencer. The difference is that we wouldn’t have to because if roles were reversed, Spencer would be cruising into a reelection.

PostMar 28, 2025#14132025-03-28T15:38+00:00

And if Cara Spencer had been the mayor the last four years, the PD and BJ would have spent the last year lavishing her with praise for the incredible reduction in crime, particularly homicides.

SRQ2STL · PostMar 28, 2025#14142025-03-28T15:38+00:00

This came up in my FB feed as a reshare by a friend... Virvus Jones speaking at DB, re: Bob Clark's endorsement of Cara Spencer.

On my friends reshare, my friend remarks, "I can't believe I didn't figure this out on my own.....but now Clark's support of Spencer makes SO much more sense. It was always the airport. He needs someone who is beholden to him for his support of their campaign to get that contract. And under whose administration did the airport master plan get created? Mayor Tishaura O. Jones. Vote for the candidate who knows how to move our city forward. Not the one who's being fronted by developers who spend lots of $$ to get their way."

jivecitystl · PostMar 28, 2025#14152025-03-28T15:43+00:00

JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑
Mar 28, 2025
jivecitystl wrote: ↑
Mar 28, 2025
dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑
Mar 28, 2025
FTW would be explaining how as Mayor Spencer will do differently in any of those and the reason nobody is willing to do that is because there is no plan

Let’s look at downtown

Spending in the Downtown STL zip codes in 2024 was $1,810,000,000 vs $1,787,000,000 in 2023,

1.3% increase despite Cardinals drawing 500,000 less fans.

Clayton,MO
2023: $467,000,000
2024: $464,000,000
Change: -0.64%

Chesterfield, MO
2023: $1,745,000,000
2024: $1,719,00,000
Change: -1.50%

St.charles county
2023: $8,960,000,000
2024: $8,980,000,000

+0.22%

Across the state; downtown KC

2024: $604,000,000
2023: $590,000,000

Saint Louis City finished 2023 with 12,398 businesses and 2024 with 12,988, for a gain of 590.
Well the problematic missteps that stldotage outlined on page 55 of this thread apply to the current administration. Wonder if all the Jones supporters would line up to defend Cara Spencer if the tables were turned? Like if Cara Spencer were the incumbent mayor with an identical track record as Tishaura Jones, and Tishaura Jones were the challenger with an identical track record to Cara Spencer. Who would earn your vote?
Yes, if Spencer and Jones were switched we would be defending Spencer. The difference is that we wouldn’t have to because if roles were reversed, Spencer would be cursing into a reelection.

Lol, I doubt it!! Do you recall that Tishaura Jones ran against Cara Spencer for mayor in the last election and WON? Unfortunately she did not deliver for STL, When an incumbent fails to win reelection, just blame the voters- it's so much easier than trying to excuse or explain away your underwhelming performance!

urban_dilettante · PostMar 28, 2025#14162025-03-28T15:57+00:00

SRQ2STL wrote: ↑
Mar 28, 2025
This came up in my FB feed as a reshare by a friend... Virvus Jones speaking at DB, re: Bob Clark's endorsement of Cara Spencer.

On my friends reshare, my friend remarks, "I can't believe I didn't figure this out on my own.....but now Clark's support of Spencer makes SO much more sense. It was always the airport. He needs someone who is beholden to him for his support of their campaign to get that contract. And under whose administration did the airport master plan get created? Mayor Tishaura O. Jones. Vote for the candidate who knows how to move our city forward. Not the one who's being fronted by developers who spend lots of $$ to get their way."

gosh, the father of the incumbent pushing conspiracy theories against the competing candidate in the final stretch of the campaign? who could have predicted?

Baltimore Jack · PostMar 28, 2025#14172025-03-28T15:58+00:00

So Jones losing support all across the city--from the most progressive of south side wards to heavily AA North STL-- is just "vibes".

She has no blame in how she has performed in office or present herself as a candidate for reelection.

Got it!

PostMar 28, 2025#14182025-03-28T15:59+00:00

Virvus retiring for good would be best for STL.

jivecitystl · PostMar 28, 2025#14192025-03-28T16:16+00:00

Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑
Mar 28, 2025
So Jones losing support all across the city--from the most progressive of south side wards to heavily AA North STL-- is just "vibes".

She has no blame in how she has performed in office or present herself as a candidate for reelection.

Got it!

Agree. If Team Jones were as good at winning people over as they are at gaslighting them, she may not be facing such a difficult round 2.

whitherSTL · PostMar 28, 2025#14202025-03-28T16:24+00:00

No words.

addxb2 · PostMar 28, 2025#14212025-03-28T16:57+00:00

whitherSTL wrote:

No words.

YEESH. Terrible idea. I hope it’s fake. The most hated mayor in America. The man who tanked Chicago’s love of labor. Pulling 6% favorability.

It’s almost as if Jones has switched from “win the race” to “maintain national profile”.

JaneJacobsGhost · PostMar 28, 2025#14222025-03-28T17:19+00:00

I’d go just for levels catering. It’s probably fire

PostMar 28, 2025#14232025-03-28T17:26+00:00

jivecitystl wrote: ↑
Mar 28, 2025
JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑
Mar 28, 2025
jivecitystl wrote: ↑
Mar 28, 2025
Well the problematic missteps that stldotage outlined on page 55 of this thread apply to the current administration. Wonder if all the Jones supporters would line up to defend Cara Spencer if the tables were turned? Like if Cara Spencer were the incumbent mayor with an identical track record as Tishaura Jones, and Tishaura Jones were the challenger with an identical track record to Cara Spencer. Who would earn your vote?
Yes, if Spencer and Jones were switched we would be defending Spencer. The difference is that we wouldn’t have to because if roles were reversed, Spencer would be cursing into a reelection.
Lol, I doubt it!! Do you recall that Tishaura Jones ran against Cara Spencer for mayor in the last election and WON? Unfortunately she did not deliver for STL, When an incumbent fails to win reelection, just blame the voters- it's so much easier than trying to excuse or explain away your underwhelming performance!

Jones did not deliver for St Louis other than (1) dramatically reducing crime, particularly homicides, (2) successfully introducing community policing and community focused public safety measures that have been extremely successful (3) fixing the 911 problem and securing the money to build an integrated 911 call center, (4) moving important DT vacancies closer to development than they’ve been in 20 years.

dbInSouthCity · PostMar 28, 2025#14242025-03-28T17:26+00:00

urban_dilettante wrote: ↑
Mar 28, 2025
SRQ2STL wrote: ↑
Mar 28, 2025
This came up in my FB feed as a reshare by a friend... Virvus Jones speaking at DB, re: Bob Clark's endorsement of Cara Spencer.

On my friends reshare, my friend remarks, "I can't believe I didn't figure this out on my own.....but now Clark's support of Spencer makes SO much more sense. It was always the airport. He needs someone who is beholden to him for his support of their campaign to get that contract. And under whose administration did the airport master plan get created? Mayor Tishaura O. Jones. Vote for the candidate who knows how to move our city forward. Not the one who's being fronted by developers who spend lots of $$ to get their way."
gosh, the father of the incumbent pushing conspiracy theories against the competing candidate in the final stretch of the campaign? who could have predicted?

I wrote that. Virvus is just giving me credit for my writing. And it’s true. It’s based on talks with dozens of media, businesses and elected leaders

Debaliviere91 · PostMar 28, 2025#14252025-03-28T17:34+00:00

dbInSouthCity wrote:
urban_dilettante wrote: ↑
Mar 28, 2025
SRQ2STL wrote: ↑
Mar 28, 2025
This came up in my FB feed as a reshare by a friend... Virvus Jones speaking at DB, re: Bob Clark's endorsement of Cara Spencer.

On my friends reshare, my friend remarks, "I can't believe I didn't figure this out on my own.....but now Clark's support of Spencer makes SO much more sense. It was always the airport. He needs someone who is beholden to him for his support of their campaign to get that contract. And under whose administration did the airport master plan get created? Mayor Tishaura O. Jones. Vote for the candidate who knows how to move our city forward. Not the one who's being fronted by developers who spend lots of $$ to get their way."
gosh, the father of the incumbent pushing conspiracy theories against the competing candidate in the final stretch of the campaign? who could have predicted?
I wrote that. Virvus is just giving me credit for my writing. And it’s true. It’s based on talks with dozens of media, businesses and elected leaders

It’s not a conspiracy, but it is just a hypothesis. There’s no evidence that Clayco is going to get a contract they shouldn’t in terms of the airport. It shouldn’t be surprising at all that a company like Clayco would get at least a part of that contract.

When it’s awarded, if it looks like Clayco got preferential treatment to the detriment of our airport or our finances, Cara will never get a vote from me. It’s as simple as that. It’s really not a factor in deciding who to vote for on April 8th. There’s a reason this isn’t gaining traction with voters.

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