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I’d be willing to bet this was Virvus’s idea.

VERY unprofessional & ridiculous behavior. I don't care which candidate you support. You have to admit how ridiculous Jones looked in this instance. 

Came to mind when Jones was glaring at Spencer. 

Jones is big mad about Spencer’s perceived success (I’ll wait for the election day receipts) in N StL imo.

Are we sure Jones wasnt invited to a meeting by a well meaning constitute who thought it was an open meeting and not just a specific candidate meet and greet.

An associate of mine showed me all the school board candidates on the ballot
Which ones (pick 3) would one pick?
Would one do better on a pick 3 lotto ticket?

I'm also wondering which school board candidates I should choose. 

In the Comptroller race, Barrington has apparently commented that Green had not attended any of the Northside grant meetings at all. How could you NOT be at that meeting .

Edit: Barringer, whatever.

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Mar 26, 2025

Are we sure Jones wasnt invited to a meeting by a well meaning constitute who thought it was an open meeting and not just a specific candidate meet and greet.

I guess it's possible. But if you follow both candidates on social media it's pretty easy to tell what is a candidate forum and what is a specific event for a candidate.

So even if it were a "well meaning constituent" someone in her campaign staff was asleep at the wheel.

Baltimore Jack wrote:

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Mar 26, 2025

Are we sure Jones wasnt invited to a meeting by a well meaning constitute who thought it was an open meeting and not just a specific candidate meet and greet.

I guess it's possible. But if you follow both candidates on social media it's pretty easy to tell what is a candidate forum and what is a specific event for a candidate.

So even if it were a "well meaning constituent" someone in her campaign staff was asleep at the wheel.

It also doesn’t excuse her behavior once she showed up.

Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑

Mar 26, 2025

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Mar 26, 2025

Are we sure Jones wasnt invited to a meeting by a well meaning constitute who thought it was an open meeting and not just a specific candidate meet and greet.

I guess it's possible. But if you follow both candidates on social media it's pretty easy to tell what is a candidate forum and what is a specific event for a candidate.

So even if it were a "well meaning constituent" someone in her campaign staff was asleep at the wheel.

If there was confusion & Jones showed up, at some point she would have realized this was a Spencer event. At that point, she should have left, admitted it was a simple mistake & move on. I am not aware of Jones coming out with an apology to Spencer or comments disputing that she crashed a Spencer event. At some point, she knew this was a Spencer event, yet she stayed & even made the rounds. I get it. This is a contentious race, but this situation is over the top. 

Overheard a convo last night about the race that I think probably is a widespread viewpoint.... general disappointment in both candidates. Someone mentioned they were watching a televised debate last week and had to turn it off.  Unfortunately I think we'll see significantly lower turnout than the 2017 & 2021 mayoral elections.

STLrainbow wrote: ↑

Mar 26, 2025

Overheard a convo last night about the race that I think probably is a widespread viewpoint.... general disappointment in both candidates. Someone mentioned they were watching a televised debate last week and had to turn it off.  Unfortunately I think we'll see significantly lower turnout than the 2017 & 2021 mayoral elections.

Omg I've seen clips here and there and was watching live once and I did turn it off. I mean, the pure hate and contempt just pouring off Jones was insane. Super uncomfortable.

Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑

Mar 25, 2025

Speaking of Spencer in North St. Louis, Jones crashed a Spencer rally in Baden.

Apparently just showed up and stood there
Didn't engage.

Take what you will of that

This has been a thing since early on.  I remember she showed up and Otis Williams' SLDC retirement right after taking office and just stood off to the side with her security, said nothing and spoke to no one.  I know she probably wasn't Williams' biggest fan, but then why show up at all?

chris fuller wrote: ↑

Mar 26, 2025

An associate of mine showed me all the school board candidates on the ballot
Which ones (pick 3) would one pick?
Would one do better on a pick 3 lotto ticket?

Collins-Adams, Foster, Marston

Jones has been a mediocre mayor. And a spectacular failure as a candidate for reelection.

Would love for Baltimore Jack to provide a comprehensive argument with facts and data to support his positions, but he doesn't provide that.

This again? Obviously you cant defend Jones actions.

Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑

Mar 27, 2025

This again? Obviously you cant defend Jonez actions.

I've provided multiple comprehensive arguments for why Jones deserves 4 more years. I'm totally uninterested in whatever mindless dribble you're interested in to distract from the fact that you still cannot support your own views.

Jones and Spencer spoke separately upon invite at my parish's men's club meeting a few months ago. I figured that the two would speak separately and leave however, Jones did the same thing were she awkwardly stood in the back of the room in what I believe was an attempt to intimidate Spencer. When it was Jones' turn to talk, she made several childish jabs at Spencer which I found to be very off-putting. The above tactic seems to be a part of a pattern for Jones and I believe does herself no favors with voters. 

This is my attempt to compile a list of Jones criticisms I have read/seen/heard from local media outlets, social media, and fellow citizens and to summarize them in good faith.

• January 2025 Snowstorm response - widely regarded as bungled, with a lot of buck-passing and deflection/downplaying
• Unresponsive city services and poor department leadership (see above re: Betherny Williams at the Streets Dept. to name one example; trash collection being another; 911 call response rates/times, etc.)
• Combative/Trumpian style (a turn off to some voters; an asset to others -- see the discussion above about the rally-crashing)
• Sticking by Kim Gardner too long/not being more forceful in calling for her to resign / being perceived by centrist and right-leaning voters as a "Defund the Police" sympathizer (combined with police job vacancies)
• Progressive consternation on the Workhouse issue / homeless encampments
• Excessive travel/being absentee (per that Business Journal hit piece)
• Running as a change agent but having her father and Slay's Richard Callow as advisors/defenders/spokesmen
• The "Sins of the Father" - Virvus Jones' misdeeds polluting people's trust in Tishaura's integrity
• Poor debate performance (there was an instance in one debate, I believe in the 2017 cycle, where Jones was asked to introduce herself and inexplicably glitched and said "pass", to name one example)
• Continued City population loss (lowest population since the Civil War) - especially on the North Side
• Downtown St. Louis vacancies, perceptions of crime, and a lack of coordinated strategy
• Proposals to spend Rams money on social services/direct transfers rather than focusing on a long-term strategy (interest-bearing savings) or immediate impacts (downtown, infrastructure, etc.)
• Potential fudging of homicide number reporting (https://missouriindependent.com/2022/03 ... uncounted/)
• State (re)takeover of the police department happening under her watch
• The SLDC/Bob Clark I-70/Goodfellow controversy
• Metrolink Green Line reduction in scale
• North Side Business ARPA Grants issues

Now, I'm not sure of how much of the above would tally into the "fact"/"fallacy" columns but that's not what I attempted to do. You can indeed spin some of the above into positives or downplay them. Crime numbers are significantly down, obviously. Downtown woes are likely overblown and several big projects have been announced under Jones' watch. Travel for fundraising/outreach/advocacy could be a net positive for the City and for the office. She did fight the state police takeover. She's a big Metrolink advocate. Etc. etc. etc.

I talked about city services part a few pages back here, trash/911/ etc are all better today then May 2021 when she got into office but voters here and nationally have memory holed Covid and it’s impacts and have completely different expectations.

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Mar 27, 2025

I talked about city services part a few pages back here, trash/911/ etc are all better today then May 2021 when she got into office but voters here and nationally have memory holed Covid and it’s impacts and have completely different expectations.

Here, we prefer perfect over improved. So it's not good enough.

Auggie wrote:

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Mar 27, 2025

I talked about city services part a few pages back here, trash/911/ etc are all better today then May 2021 when she got into office but voters here and nationally have memory holed Covid and it’s impacts and have completely different expectations.

Here, we prefer perfect over improved. So it's not good enough.

Well who wouldn’t prefer perfect over improved?

DB, you are right, but I think part of the problem is that the improvements since 2021 is off of an artificially low base point due to COVID. The rate of change looks good on paper but we still aren’t that close to meeting the standards people are expecting.

On type of that, Tishaura doesn’t message her approach to city services in the right way at all. It doesn’t come off as a priority for her and that matters when we still have a lot of room to improve.

Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑

Mar 27, 2025

Auggie wrote:

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Mar 27, 2025

I talked about city services part a few pages back here, trash/911/ etc are all better today then May 2021 when she got into office but voters here and nationally have memory holed Covid and it’s impacts and have completely different expectations.

Here, we prefer perfect over improved. So it's not good enough.

Well who wouldn’t prefer perfect over improved?

DB, you are right, but I think part of the problem is that the improvements since 2021 is off of an artificially low base point due to COVID. The rate of change looks good on paper but we still aren’t that close to meeting the standards people are expecting.

On type of that, Tishaura doesn’t message her approach to city services in the right way at all. It doesn’t come off as a priority for her and that matters when we still have a lot of room to improve.

Can't help but point out that letting perfect be the enemy of good is a fallacy. You people are too funny.

Auggie wrote:

Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑

Mar 27, 2025

Auggie wrote: Here, we prefer perfect over improved. So it's not good enough.

Well who wouldn’t prefer perfect over improved?

DB, you are right, but I think part of the problem is that the improvements since 2021 is off of an artificially low base point due to COVID. The rate of change looks good on paper but we still aren’t that close to meeting the standards people are expecting.

On type of that, Tishaura doesn’t message her approach to city services in the right way at all. It doesn’t come off as a priority for her and that matters when we still have a lot of room to improve.

Can't help but point out that letting perfect be the enemy of good is a fallacy. You people are too funny.

You and your fallacies, i think the point you’re missing is that many people wouldn’t agree that we have reached the point of calling our city services “good”. Make sense?