I’m picturing VP ball weirdos with AR-15s holed up in AT&T shooting at four wheeler groups and hobos in the Serra sculpture.addxb2 wrote: ↑Mar 20, 2025“One idea would be to get the top, say, 25 companies, to go down and make a stand in the city in a single building.”
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Kitty. Sorry.JaneJacobsGhost wrote:^Who is Katy?
Jones was right about the political will for Clark’s vision for the convention center. The county bungled its mere $100 million contribution. But they would have efficiently appropriated 4X that number for Clark’s proposal? Gtfoh
Not suggesting any one Mayor is the reason the project undelivered, it’s a collective backseat driving that resulted in an ugly $200M+ renovation.
Also not suggesting that Clark’s proposal was a good idea but there was no community engagement on the convention center. None. No public design workshops.
It was “Here it is. We need to do this now, or else.”
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I like how your friend dismiss the key point against their point as just blah blah.
I have the convention calendar through 2026 and it’s far more then blah blah
I have the convention calendar through 2026 and it’s far more then blah blah
No, I’m dismissing you preemptively. The nature around here recently has been “your opinion is fallacy because I can produce data”.dbInSouthCity wrote:I like how your friend dismiss the key point against their point as just blah blah.
I have the convention calendar through 2026 and it’s far more then blah blah
The reason I preemptively dismissed your inevitable response is because (A) we don’t know how STL 2026 compares to growth in peers (B) we don’t have a measure on event quality. Not all events are the same. Attendee or event number alone are not sufficient to knowing the buying and staying power.
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At this point the question is what direction Jones concession speech will go.
If her staff is smart they'll keep her dad far away from any drafts.
If her staff is smart they'll keep her dad far away from any drafts.
If only we had something like hotel occupancy or sales tax data to track things like this. Sucks that that doesn't exist.....oh wait.addxb2 wrote: ↑Mar 20, 2025No, I’m dismissing you preemptively. The nature around here recently has been “your opinion is fallacy because I can produce data”.dbInSouthCity wrote:I like how your friend dismiss the key point against their point as just blah blah.
I have the convention calendar through 2026 and it’s far more then blah blah
The reason I preemptively dismissed your inevitable response is because (A) we don’t know how STL 2026 compares to growth in peers (B) we don’t have a measure on event quality. Not all events are the same. Attendee or event number alone are not sufficient to knowing the buying and staying power.
Well, I guess the ignore option is pointless.Auggie wrote:If only we had something like hotel occupancy or sales tax data to track things like this. Sucks that that doesn't exist.....oh wait.addxb2 wrote: ↑Mar 20, 2025No, I’m dismissing you preemptively. The nature around here recently has been “your opinion is fallacy because I can produce data”.dbInSouthCity wrote:I like how your friend dismiss the key point against their point as just blah blah.
I have the convention calendar through 2026 and it’s far more then blah blah
The reason I preemptively dismissed your inevitable response is because (A) we don’t know how STL 2026 compares to growth in peers (B) we don’t have a measure on event quality. Not all events are the same. Attendee or event number alone are not sufficient to knowing the buying and staying power.
None of that would be relevant. That’s my point. You guys pull up these tidbits of data that ignore all macro, peer, or local circumstances. The data could be right and your point could be right but you’re not qualified as an individual (no one is) to provide a full enough assessment to tell someone their opinion is incorrect.
It’s the opinion of my friend in the industry that STL leaders missed a shot to do something transformative.
That is an amusing thought.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Mar 20, 2025I’m picturing VP ball weirdos with AR-15s holed up in AT&T shooting at four wheeler groups and hobos in the Serra sculpture.addxb2 wrote: ↑Mar 20, 2025“One idea would be to get the top, say, 25 companies, to go down and make a stand in the city in a single building.”
What is "something transformative"?addxb2 wrote: ↑Mar 20, 2025Well, I guess the ignore option is pointless.Auggie wrote:If only we had something like hotel occupancy or sales tax data to track things like this. Sucks that that doesn't exist.....oh wait.addxb2 wrote: ↑Mar 20, 2025No, I’m dismissing you preemptively. The nature around here recently has been “your opinion is fallacy because I can produce data”.
The reason I preemptively dismissed your inevitable response is because (A) we don’t know how STL 2026 compares to growth in peers (B) we don’t have a measure on event quality. Not all events are the same. Attendee or event number alone are not sufficient to knowing the buying and staying power.
None of that would be relevant. That’s my point. You guys pull up these tidbits of data that ignore all macro, peer, or local circumstances. The data could be right and your point could be right but you’re not qualified as an individual (no one is) to provide a full enough assessment to tell someone their opinion is incorrect.
It’s the opinion of my friend in the industry that STL leaders missed a shot to do something transformative.
That's the real question that I'm wondering here. Because tearing down the existing center is a non-starter.
Look man, I don't want you to ignore me and I don't ignore people either. But saying "we could have done something transformative" and then discounting any of the potential data that would show how transformative something actually is- is totally contradictory.
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Reactions from other business leaders to Clark’s interview
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And who are these "other business leaders"
I just see screenshots of posts thar could be coming from anyone on the internet.
I just see screenshots of posts thar could be coming from anyone on the internet.
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Literally nothing has stopped them from doing this at any point, ever. Not sure why he thinks Spencer being elected mayor would suddenly change that (other than the obvious dog whistle).addxb2 wrote: ↑Mar 20, 2025“If Spencer is elected, Clark says, he and other business leaders are contemplating a significant investment in downtown St. Louis: “One idea would be to get the top, say, 25 companies, to go down and make a stand in the city in a single building.”
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Maybe expand it to top 100 so clayco is part of it?Trololzilla wrote: ↑Mar 21, 2025Literally nothing has stopped them from doing this at any point, ever. Not sure why he thinks Spencer being elected mayor would suddenly change that (other than the obvious dog whistle).addxb2 wrote: ↑Mar 20, 2025“If Spencer is elected, Clark says, he and other business leaders are contemplating a significant investment in downtown St. Louis: “One idea would be to get the top, say, 25 companies, to go down and make a stand in the city in a single building.”
What is his plan to "fix" St. Louis? And why has he waited so long to make a fuss?Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Mar 21, 2025And who are these "other business leaders"
I just see screenshots of posts thar could be coming from anyone on the internet.
That's the real question here that a certain group doesn't seem to really care about.
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Funny how everyone is an expert, everyone jumps to conclusions, everyone automatically assumes the worst intentions, everyone knows something the rest of us don't, etc. etc.
Whose idea was it to paint Clark as Cara's Elon Musk?
I doubt any credible PR professional would have suggested such a vapid and desperate tactic, and the mayor's lackluster deployment of that line in the debate last week was really difficult to watch.
Whose idea was it to paint Clark as Cara's Elon Musk?
I doubt any credible PR professional would have suggested such a vapid and desperate tactic, and the mayor's lackluster deployment of that line in the debate last week was really difficult to watch.We are talking about a billionaire. You don't become a billionaire by having the best of intentions. So my bad for wanting more than words to have any trust in him.jivecitystl wrote: ↑Mar 21, 2025Funny how everyone is an expert, everyone jumps to conclusions, everyone automatically assumes the worst intentions, everyone knows something the rest of us don't, etc. etc.
Whose idea was it to paint Clark as Cara's Elon Musk?
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I sat down and listened to the full Clark interview last night. He’s pompous and arrogant for sure. Not the first guy I’d want to have a beer with. Most billionaires aren’t.
I think he’s mostly correct about a lot of the leadership failures in the region that has contributed to businesses like Clayco leaving, but that’s hardly a novel take.
His rant about crime was pretty low IQ, though I do sympathize with his comments on how dangerous it is to drive around here.
Ultimately, a lot of the back and forth with Tishaura on things like the North Side concrete plant, the Convention Center, RX building, etc are “he said, she said” types of situations and everyone seems to believe who they want to.
At the end of the day, I don’t think he’s really much of a factor at all in determining who to vote for between Tishaura and Cara. I’d love to see him back up his talk of investing in the city if Cara wins, but I certainly can’t count on that.
I think he’s mostly correct about a lot of the leadership failures in the region that has contributed to businesses like Clayco leaving, but that’s hardly a novel take.
His rant about crime was pretty low IQ, though I do sympathize with his comments on how dangerous it is to drive around here.
Ultimately, a lot of the back and forth with Tishaura on things like the North Side concrete plant, the Convention Center, RX building, etc are “he said, she said” types of situations and everyone seems to believe who they want to.
At the end of the day, I don’t think he’s really much of a factor at all in determining who to vote for between Tishaura and Cara. I’d love to see him back up his talk of investing in the city if Cara wins, but I certainly can’t count on that.
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I see the Jones fans are doubling down on the Bob Clark=Musk strategy that got them 33% in the primary. Carry on.
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The Bob Clark=Musk strategy was dumb, but you’ve got to do better than simply pointing to the primary results as justification for your viewpoint. Winning an election doesn’t make your opinion right, or wrong. Look who’s in the White House.Baltimore Jack wrote:I see the Jones fans are doubling down on the Bob Clark=Musk strategy that got them 33% in the primary. Carry on.
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^fair point. But this is a city that rejected Trump 85-15.
It's clear that this "Bob Clark is to Elon Musk as Cara Spencer is to Donald Trump" analogy is not resonating with the people who oppose Trump and Musk the most.
Are there any precincts in the state that vote more progressive than Tower Grove East and Tower Grove South? It clearly didn't land there.
So who thinks sticking with it is a good idea?
Tishaura? Her inner circle? Her dad? A handful of commenters on here?
It's clear that this "Bob Clark is to Elon Musk as Cara Spencer is to Donald Trump" analogy is not resonating with the people who oppose Trump and Musk the most.
Are there any precincts in the state that vote more progressive than Tower Grove East and Tower Grove South? It clearly didn't land there.
So who thinks sticking with it is a good idea?
Tishaura? Her inner circle? Her dad? A handful of commenters on here?
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I think everyone kind of realizes the strategy didn’t work. I’m more interested in discussing the merits of both candidates, rather than who’s better at campaigning. That answer is clear.Baltimore Jack wrote:^fair point. But this is a city that rejected Trump 85-15.
It's clear that this tactic is not resonating with progressives.
So who thinks it's a good idea?
Tishaura? Her inner circle? Her dad? A handful of commenters on here?
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I think it shows Jones is more out of touch than ever.
That's the "merits" right there.
That's the "merits" right there.