Tishaura fired her personnel director.
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*accepted the Civil Service Commissions recommendation after the Personnel Director used a city car and made a city employee drive her to Jefferson City to catch her husband in an affair but yes
That would make me very sad. The idea that anyone would be willing to harm the City in revenge of losing an election. I've never seen Jones as immorally capable of that.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Mar 13, 2025From the storyaddxb2 wrote: ↑Mar 13, 2025This basically sums up what happened with TJ.
“She disappointed activists with support for police raises, fights with jail watchdogs and breakups of homeless camps. Missteps with a grant program riled North Side business owners, and a fight with the wife of a prominent pastor irked some North Side pastors. Residents all over, from north to south, boiled about the state of city services, from trash trucks that showed up days late, to potholes left open for months.
And that was before the big snowstorm hit in January, and streets were covered in ice for weeks. The city's response got such poor reviews, Jones publicly apologized, multiple times.”
Tishaura Jones’ winning coalition in St. Louis broke apart. What happened?
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... 58b9d.html
“Lana Stein, the retired University of Missouri-St. Louis professor who wrote the book on St. Louis politics, said it's not over yet. Jones still has a few weeks left to campaign, and she has seasoned advisors who know how to tear down an opponent.”
I think this is probably a convo at the jones camp right now, whether to do this or not. Do you go all out to tear Spencer down to try to win or do you know you’ll lose anyway and now it’s about how much do you want to wound her going into her admin
We’re in an era of vibes based politics. Politicians have to appeal to that. If they don’t? They lose.
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Yeah I think the firing was warrented.dbInSouthCity wrote:*accepted the Civil Service Commissions recommendation after the Personnel Director used a city car and made a city employee drive her to Jefferson City to catch her husband in an affair but yes
Jones has her own career and personal life to worry about outside of the Mayor's office. I suspect these networking events she's indulged a ton of will serve her well post-Mayor. That was probably the intent.
She has a tough decision to make. Do you look at these very ugly numbers and more or less just pack it in? Honestly, maybe.
But Jones has a seething hatred for Spencer, has for many years now. So does our old pal, Rich Callow.
Going full attack dog, dirty tricks on Spencer probably has unlikely odds of moving the needle enough to win, and might bite her in the ass later, career wise.
But what choice does she have? Her 2021 "elect black women everywhere" vibes are long shot. She's currently dead in the water. She needs to win back high turnout progressive wards around Tower Grove, and get black North City residents to be at least somewhat positive towards her again.
She does have a path to victory but it is already very narrow, and closing fast as days tick by.
Gaslighting Spencer supporters, ripping her to shreds for increasingly fake sh*t, painting her as not-so-secretly allied to "MAAHGUUH" and about to turn the CWE+Railway Exchange into a cul-de-sac at the behest of Bob Clark - All this has to be in the mix to squeeze as many votes out of the easier-scared progressive side as possible, otherwise she simply wont win, simple as.
She also needs to seriously kiss every ass on the North Side, and get Butler to endorse her.
I still don't think she'll win, the numbers are already too ugly, its too late in the game, and people are still too pissed off at her. But if you think she's going to play nice with Spencer, aka "That b****".......lol, lmao in fact.
She has a tough decision to make. Do you look at these very ugly numbers and more or less just pack it in? Honestly, maybe.
But Jones has a seething hatred for Spencer, has for many years now. So does our old pal, Rich Callow.
Going full attack dog, dirty tricks on Spencer probably has unlikely odds of moving the needle enough to win, and might bite her in the ass later, career wise.
But what choice does she have? Her 2021 "elect black women everywhere" vibes are long shot. She's currently dead in the water. She needs to win back high turnout progressive wards around Tower Grove, and get black North City residents to be at least somewhat positive towards her again.
She does have a path to victory but it is already very narrow, and closing fast as days tick by.
Gaslighting Spencer supporters, ripping her to shreds for increasingly fake sh*t, painting her as not-so-secretly allied to "MAAHGUUH" and about to turn the CWE+Railway Exchange into a cul-de-sac at the behest of Bob Clark - All this has to be in the mix to squeeze as many votes out of the easier-scared progressive side as possible, otherwise she simply wont win, simple as.
She also needs to seriously kiss every ass on the North Side, and get Butler to endorse her.
I still don't think she'll win, the numbers are already too ugly, its too late in the game, and people are still too pissed off at her. But if you think she's going to play nice with Spencer, aka "That b****".......lol, lmao in fact.
Awesome! Now she needs to find a new favorite chicken place on the North Side (that actually exists this time) and scare the sh*t out of everyone in a 2 mile radius of TGP off of Spencer. She's got just under 4 weeks. Do-able, but I'm not betting on it.
Jones is not winning this debate. Fox 2 isn’t running a fair table. These people don’t like each other.
It's Andy Banker and Jasmine Huda.
I sorta disagree. I don't think it's been unfair at all. I agree Jones doesn't seem to be winning but it's not because of the moderators.
I will say, the first question they took from "the public" was from a guy who doesn't live in the city and didn't even sound like he lived in the county. Not sure why I should care about what a guy in an "outer county" has to ask or say. They're also now on the population decline issue which is just bullsh*t all the way through.
Spencer opened up by telling me that I'm afraid to walk down my street though.
I sorta disagree. I don't think it's been unfair at all. I agree Jones doesn't seem to be winning but it's not because of the moderators.
I will say, the first question they took from "the public" was from a guy who doesn't live in the city and didn't even sound like he lived in the county. Not sure why I should care about what a guy in an "outer county" has to ask or say. They're also now on the population decline issue which is just bullsh*t all the way through.
Spencer opened up by telling me that I'm afraid to walk down my street though.
I hate how much I agree with Cara Spencer on the Green Line. She’s 100% right, the project is a half what was promised and will likely go nowhere in this administration. I’m on team, “turn the page”, for now.
Her argument is incoherent though. It's not a 17 mile route but she also doesn't like that it's $1B+. She wants a 17 mile route but apparently doesn't want what would be 1/3 of that built and ready to expand if that time came.
The current plan was one presidential election away from actually happening and still would have extremely positive downwind effects that we can't even imagine right now.
Obviously it can't happen without the federal or state funds, but giving up on it altogether and spending the funds in other ways is just so shortsighted.
She’s right though. From the start, it was a much larger project with a connection to Downtown. It won the vote in 2017. It got smaller in 2018, smaller again in 2023, smaller again in 2024. It’s not the project that was promised. There’s no plan to legitimately expand after this. There’s only hope that development follows. STL gets one modern day shot every 20 years… is Jefferson the right choice to remake transit in St. Louis?
I’m not saying any of this is Jones fault.
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I’m not saying any of this is Jones fault.
I'm just saying there's no realistic path to that "original" plan without significantly increasing the cost and getting the county on board.addxb2 wrote: ↑Mar 14, 2025She’s right though. From the start, it was a much larger project with a connection to Downtown. It won the vote in 2017. It got smaller in 2018, smaller again in 2023, smaller again in 2024. It’s not the project that was promised. There’s no plan to legitimately expand after this. There’s only hope that development follows. STL gets one modern day shot every 20 years… is Jefferson the right choice to remake transit in St. Louis?
I’m not saying any of this is Jones fault.
The Green Line is the best and most viable option- pending the county suddenly having a change of heart. And even then, it could and probably would be extended on both ends in the future, especially after the benefits begin to be seen.
If it's not the Green Line, there won't be another plan or push for decades.
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Apologies in advance for this rant.addxb2 wrote: ↑Mar 14, 2025I hate how much I agree with Cara Spencer on the Green Line. She’s 100% right, the project is a half what was promised and will likely go nowhere in this administration. I’m on team, “turn the page”, for now.
We’ve turned enough pages to have read through damn War and Peace at this point. No. We’ve turned a page on N-S since 1999. We have to freaking follow through with a plan for once. Turning pages on transit from 1960-1990 really did us well. Sitting on expansion ideas for 30 years has really helped north city. You want another study to see if N Florissant is a better alignment? Let’s run the whole process back. Because bi state has only conducted and published thousands of pages on studies for the past 26 years. I can post the ‘99 study and you’ll see all kinds of great ideas. Do we really just want to sit around and keep doing surveys? Bi-state wants to build this - please just let them try their hardest.
We’ve spent a lot of money on this already, did the prep work we needed. Will people stop abandoning and using a white house that will
be there 4 years as an excuse? You want to scrap the plan and start all over again? Oh and then by the time you start the prep all over again when a new admin is in and get back where we are now, another unfavorable admin is in? Scrap again. The white house will change, and we still don’t know that they can do anything with those funds. It would take a process to get it all overturned. Can people stay the course at least a year? What does it hurt - the application is in, just chill out. It’s only going to get more expensive the longer we wait to build.
Yes, it’s less mileage than the fully built out plan. IT CAN BE EXPANDED. You can’t expand something that doesn’t exist. But you can expand from the first leg. That’s how all light rail systems have expanded, including our own. You can keep extending the system and reach the eventual final product you see in the map above.
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Goal isn’t to build this 5.5 miles and stop. It’s to build this 5.5 miles and add on. Deals in the budget will be had after the 2026 midterms
The conventional wisdom at the time of the County totally pulling the plug on their participation in N-S was that the City would not have the resources to go it alone. Unfortunately it increasingly seems like the conventional wisdom was correct.
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Thank you.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Mar 14, 2025Goal isn’t to build this 5.5 miles and stop. It’s to build this 5.5 miles and add on. Deals in the budget will be had after the 2026 midterms
Never thought I'd see the day Aesir would be supporting the corporate interest backed candidate.
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No it’s not. The city has the resources to do it alone and it’s been doing it alone
It must be 314 Day, because I actually agree with Auggie on this one (and delmar2debaliviere2downtown). How many millions have been spent on exhaustive N-S line studies over the years-- decades at this point, It would be a complete waste to table it again. Even if the current proposal sails through the approval and construction process with no delays, I'll be lucky if I can ride it before I'm in a nursing home. Missouri is the second-lowest transit-funded state in the country, so let's face it, if we don't run with this current proposal it's just not going to happen in most of our lifetimes. It's far from ideal, but it's quite literally our only shot to make something happen.
I also realize the political implications of continuing the pursuit of the Green Line, but we need to think and fight like a big city for this. Rail lines are the veins of a city, and if we want to be an appealing destination for immigrants and top talent, not to mention meeting the needs of current residents, we need to thing BIG, as far-fetched as it may seem with the current federal administration. It's a f**king miracle that St. Louis managed to build the rail system we currently have in spite of our famously fractured region, our ass-backwards state legislature and countless other forces that worked against us. But we did it. We built two foundational rail lines that plenty of other cities can only DREAM of. St. Louis IS capable of doing big improbable things.
I also realize the political implications of continuing the pursuit of the Green Line, but we need to think and fight like a big city for this. Rail lines are the veins of a city, and if we want to be an appealing destination for immigrants and top talent, not to mention meeting the needs of current residents, we need to thing BIG, as far-fetched as it may seem with the current federal administration. It's a f**king miracle that St. Louis managed to build the rail system we currently have in spite of our famously fractured region, our ass-backwards state legislature and countless other forces that worked against us. But we did it. We built two foundational rail lines that plenty of other cities can only DREAM of. St. Louis IS capable of doing big improbable things.
Glad I could unify the team. I’ll never be unhappy with any transit investment.
Although I maintain that a completely unbiased transportation consultant would not come to the same conclusion given the data.
Although I maintain that a completely unbiased transportation consultant would not come to the same conclusion given the data.
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^^So, not as shocking as one might presume. Back then we were still a swing state. Today's political conditions certainly more challenging.
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I'm the mayoral debate tonight Jones said there were zero instances of vehicular death on St. Louis roadways in 2024.
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