All these people have ever heard since Ronald Reagan is that the government is evil and inefficient and needs to be brought to heel. It’s the original Republican brain worm.Auggie wrote: ↑Mar 05, 2025Again, federal government has remained at about 3 million workers for the last 50 years.flipz wrote: ↑Mar 05, 2025They're not forgoing anything. Stop making things up. Ziprecruiter lists 100k average fed salary in MO (103k in IL) and 50.5k overall average (54k IL). On top of this they get way better benefits and insurance than the average person in MO.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Mar 05, 2025Pensions make up for forgoing larger wages that people could get in the private sector.
Stop demonizing federal and other government employees.
There is nothing virtuous about working in the private sector
I'm not demonizing any employees or saying that private employees are better. I'm demonizing the government. They are the ones that hire too many people and pay them too much for what they're doing. A lot of companies do it too but that is at their cost.
1970: 2.9 million
2025: 3 million (0.3%)
Population:
1970: 204.5M
2025: 341.5M (66.9%)
Real GDP Growth:
1947-1970: 3.1%/year
1970-Pres: 3.1%/year
There's no evidence that federal employment has any significant negative effects on the economy and even less that the government is hiring "too many people".
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Boy this is just terrible analysis. Do you think the average fed salary includes many entry level/minimum wage positions like fast food & retail? Could that perhaps be dragging down the non-fed averages? Also, the more disposable and entry level fed positions are going to be contract positions and won't qualify as a "federal job" but will in fact fall into the non-federal bucket.flipz wrote: ↑Mar 05, 2025They're not forgoing anything. Stop making things up. Ziprecruiter lists 100k average fed salary in MO (103k in IL) and 50.5k overall average (54k IL). On top of this they get way better benefits and insurance than the average person in MO.
No its not a bail out the Feds act but a legit opportunity for the city to add a valuable asset to its coffers considering it was already built for govt functions in mind, would replace and upgrade a very old city hall to consolidate city services and you would be buying at considerably less price than anything you can build. Advocating for the city and its residents.quincunx wrote: ↑Mar 05, 2025Use Rams money to bail out the feds do Trump can act like he's shrinking the gov't and the deficit. Hard pass
If it's a sale and lease ack, then sell to a private company and it'll pay property taxes.
I would also agree to your second argument if the building was a sale with guarantees of Feds leasing back. But suspect that it might be a low bidder deal so private can easily bid and put a value on it more than the city thinks it is worth. But who knows.
We can probably agree that way to many unknowns at this point So I will be game to change positions as things play out
What interest might there be in 100 S 10th across from Eggleton? Would someone be able to build there? Thinking of the buildings in Chicago they wanted to raze for security reasons.
The park on 10th across from the courthouse is actually part of the federal Art in Architecture program. Designed by artist Mary Miss, it's considered to be a piece of artwork owned by the federal government.
FWIW
FWIW
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I don’t care about it either. Would much rather have a building
Justify it to yourself however you want.Bart Harley Jarvis wrote: ↑Mar 05, 2025Boy this is just terrible analysis. Do you think the average fed salary includes many entry level/minimum wage positions like fast food & retail? Could that perhaps be dragging down the non-fed averages? Also, the more disposable and entry level fed positions are going to be contract positions and won't qualify as a "federal job" but will in fact fall into the non-federal bucket.flipz wrote: ↑Mar 05, 2025They're not forgoing anything. Stop making things up. Ziprecruiter lists 100k average fed salary in MO (103k in IL) and 50.5k overall average (54k IL). On top of this they get way better benefits and insurance than the average person in MO.
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With numbers and logic? Yep.flipz wrote: ↑Mar 07, 2025Justify it to yourself however you want.Bart Harley Jarvis wrote: ↑Mar 05, 2025Boy this is just terrible analysis. Do you think the average fed salary includes many entry level/minimum wage positions like fast food & retail? Could that perhaps be dragging down the non-fed averages? Also, the more disposable and entry level fed positions are going to be contract positions and won't qualify as a "federal job" but will in fact fall into the non-federal bucket.flipz wrote: ↑Mar 05, 2025They're not forgoing anything. Stop making things up. Ziprecruiter lists 100k average fed salary in MO (103k in IL) and 50.5k overall average (54k IL). On top of this they get way better benefits and insurance than the average person in MO.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... tract.html
Scale AI, which has 200+ employees downtown, got a Defense contract. Apparently the STL office does most of the government contract work.
Scale AI, which has 200+ employees downtown, got a Defense contract. Apparently the STL office does most of the government contract work.
Completely agree, this is actually an excellent opportunity for one or several developers to build out this dead space! This would be an awesome spot for several mid rises with retail. A guy can dream....JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Mar 06, 2025I don’t care about it either. Would much rather have a building
The Last Hotel has closed and has a sign posted on the front doors telling guests to find other accomodations, to try Tripadvisor.
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Kind of a depressing article in the Biz Journal about Lochmueller Group's move from Downtown to CIty Foundry.... while it's nice that they're expanding a bit and staying in the city, the stated reason for not remaining downtown was difficulty finding a space with convenient parking. (Also while not stated in the article, since City Foundry has a TIF there may be implications on earnings tax revenue with the musical chairs move.)
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... undry.html
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... undry.html
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My brother had to get on multiple waitlists to find parking around US Bank Tower as they returned to office in late Feb , finally got one at MAC
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Expand metrolink and bus frequency. More than 25% of downtown is parking. Thriving larger metro downtowns cannot afford more than that.
Plus get parking added underground and in garages under new construction. Add street parking bays all over downtown to road diet streets, create bus lanes, or bike lanes.
There’s plenty of parking. Maybe every employee doesn’t have the number of dedicated spaces their employees demand. I understand it’s necessary to have but downtown is only a couple square miles. You don’t necessarily get to park in your building or in front of your door. Even successful suburbs (see Carmel) know this. The city could even build garages around the convention center and lease out spots to companies, which I would be okay with. I just don’t want to go down the road of increasing or saving the swaths of surface parking and stand alone garages we have in the middle of our downtown. Those need to eventually be replaced with better land use, and never make those mistakes again.
There are going to be employers that demand that, which is why suburban lawn office buildings exist. We have learned that making downtown that to accommodate those employers hurts downtown in the long run. Some employers prefer to be near more lunch spots, residences, amenities etc that you find in a downtown area.
Plus get parking added underground and in garages under new construction. Add street parking bays all over downtown to road diet streets, create bus lanes, or bike lanes.
There’s plenty of parking. Maybe every employee doesn’t have the number of dedicated spaces their employees demand. I understand it’s necessary to have but downtown is only a couple square miles. You don’t necessarily get to park in your building or in front of your door. Even successful suburbs (see Carmel) know this. The city could even build garages around the convention center and lease out spots to companies, which I would be okay with. I just don’t want to go down the road of increasing or saving the swaths of surface parking and stand alone garages we have in the middle of our downtown. Those need to eventually be replaced with better land use, and never make those mistakes again.
There are going to be employers that demand that, which is why suburban lawn office buildings exist. We have learned that making downtown that to accommodate those employers hurts downtown in the long run. Some employers prefer to be near more lunch spots, residences, amenities etc that you find in a downtown area.
Foundry TIF captures the earnings taxes paid by employers and employees to pay of the TIF bonds. It doesn't discount the earnings taxes for those that pay them, so not a factor in the move.
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^ Right. But unless Lochmueller previously was in a TIFed building, which may have been the case, the city's revenue from earnings and payroll taxes will be less than what it had been receiving before the move.
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^ Thanks. It looks like that building has an older TIF that will wear off in about 5 years.
It's also depressing that this mixed-use building used to be the location of Urban Shark and the bike commuter station. Of course Urban Shark also moved to the Foundry, and the commuter station is no longer around.
It's also depressing that this mixed-use building used to be the location of Urban Shark and the bike commuter station. Of course Urban Shark also moved to the Foundry, and the commuter station is no longer around.
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It is currently the headquarters for the soon to be federally indicated city sheriff
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The bike industry is in a really tough spot right now, but if somebody for some reason wants to open a bike shop in 2025, Downtown is a niche ripe for the taking. Especially once these connections in the pipeline are more built out. Downtown will be the center of a decent network by the end of the decade.
Even ust by the end of this year we are getting the Brickline extended to Compton, the 20th Street Bikeway, the 4th and Broadway bike improvements, the Tucker two way cycletrack, and the floodwall blocking the North Riverfront Trail will reopen.
A bike rental and repair shop would probably do well in the middle of all this.
Even ust by the end of this year we are getting the Brickline extended to Compton, the 20th Street Bikeway, the 4th and Broadway bike improvements, the Tucker two way cycletrack, and the floodwall blocking the North Riverfront Trail will reopen.
A bike rental and repair shop would probably do well in the middle of all this.
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DT is kicking ass this weekend. Wash Ave looks great.
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That took less time than I would have guessed.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Mar 14, 2025It is currently the headquarters for the soon to be federally indicated city sheriff