I’ve come to conclusion it doesn’t matter who is Mayor. They are pretty dang similar.
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^^but no proposals to deal with reckless drivers?
Bike lanes are great but are meaningless when drivers feel emboldened to ignore them.
Bike lanes are great but are meaningless when drivers feel emboldened to ignore them.
It's beyond funny how you keep trying to compare us to Trump when you can't even put together a comprehensive argument for why you think Spencer will be better than Jones.
And if Jones does lose, it will be for the sane reasons Harris lost: We live in a post-fact world. So the crime being down doesn't matter. The best GDP Growth in decades doesn't matter. Movement on major downtown vacancies doesn't matter. Development spur in North City doesn't matter. New 911 center doesn't matter. Massive road improvement projects don't matter. Just like how none of the good things Biden did mattered. All we heard about was inflation when inflation was 2.3%.
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... /index.cfmBaltimore Jack wrote: ↑Feb 16, 2025^^but no proposals to deal with reckless drivers?
Bike lanes are great but are meaningless when drivers feel emboldened to ignore them.
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^Nothing about punishing reckless drivers. St. Louis streets are seen as lawless. That needs to change and it starts with going after the a-holes who see our thoroughfares and residential streets as places they can speed excessively,drag race, drift, block the block etc.
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We have reckless driving laws, go to muni court and hear the cases and punishments.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Feb 16, 2025^Nothing about punishing reckless drivers. St. Louis streets are seen as lawless. That needs to change and it starts with going after the a-holes who see our thoroughfares and residential streets as places they can speed excessively,drag race, drift, block the block etc.
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^ So the status quo quo, stay the course. Let's see if the voters agree with that or want more proactive measures taken.
Criminal prosecution is handled by the state, not the city. The only thing they city can realistically do is give out more tickets.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Feb 16, 2025^Nothing about punishing reckless drivers. St. Louis streets are seen as lawless. That needs to change and it starts with going after the a-holes who see our thoroughfares and residential streets as places they can speed excessively,drag race, drift, block the block etc.
So would you rather them go "hard on crime" and chase around reckless drivers all night or rebuild the infrastructure to better accommodate multiple forms of transportation and make it harder to recklessly drive and speed?
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I want both. And I want a mayor to communicate that reckless driving is unacceptable and is a blight in our city.
That Tishaura is not seen as someone who cares about punishing those who make our streets more dangerous is no one's fault but her own.
That Tishaura is not seen as someone who cares about punishing those who make our streets more dangerous is no one's fault but her own.
And here in reality, it's not the mayor's job to punish anybody for anything. It's the mayor's job to enact policies to make sure bad things don't happen again.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Feb 17, 2025I want both. And I want a mayor to communicate that reckless driving is unacceptable and is a blight in our city.
That Tishaura is not seen as someone who cares about punishing those who make our streets more dangerous is no one's fault but her own.
And if you knew anything about criminal justice (you clearly don't), you'd know punishment doesn't stop crime. Fixing the causes of crime stops crime. Fixing the problems with our infrastructure that incentivizes reckless driving and makes it easy to do will go way further towards making our streets safer than "punishing" (whatever you mean by that) reckless drivers ever will.
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This is BS. I was driving around SLU’s campus last Sunday and saw numerous drivers running red lights, taking left turns on red lights, and that’s the epitome of traffic calming to protect students. The sad thing is the students walking around seemed numb to it. The city is out of control.
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The sad thing is the students walking around seemed numb to it
YEP Where Grand meets Forest Park Parkway has been a nightmare mess for YEARS
Did not a vehicle fly off Grand recently to FFP below?? Yet no plan to REDO that mess of an intersection
YEP Where Grand meets Forest Park Parkway has been a nightmare mess for YEARS
Did not a vehicle fly off Grand recently to FFP below?? Yet no plan to REDO that mess of an intersection
SLU is surrounded by Lindell (stroad), Vandaventer (stroad), and Forest Park Parkway (a literal highway). Thank you for showing us again how little you have to add to the conversation.whitherSTL wrote: ↑Feb 17, 2025This is BS. I was driving around SLU’s campus last Sunday and saw numerous drivers running red lights, taking left turns on red lights, and that’s the epitome of traffic calming to protect students. The sad thing is the students walking around seemed numb to it. The city is out of control.
Wither is so funny. He sees all the problems that destructive, regressive, and reactionary policies do to a city designed to be efficient and forward moving and then in all of his endless wisdom, he thinks more destructive, regressive, and reactionary policies will make it better.
I may have disagreements with Baltimore Jack but at least BJ isn't this out of touch.
I may have disagreements with Baltimore Jack but at least BJ isn't this out of touch.
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Auggie wrote: ↑Feb 17, 2025Wither is so funny. He sees all the problems that destructive, regressive, and reactionary policies do to a city designed to be efficient and forward moving and then in all of his endless wisdom, he thinks more destructive, regressive, and reactionary policies will make it better.
I may have disagreements with Baltimore Jack but at least BJ isn't this out of touch.
Here’s the deal: you can blather on this site all you want. It doesn’t change the fact that people’s eyes tell a story. I just told you what I saw, nothing more, nothing less. And this is around the campus, in the middle of it! That’s all.
And then you go and vote to keep things how they are- or make them even worse. "That's all!"whitherSTL wrote: ↑Feb 17, 2025Auggie wrote: ↑Feb 17, 2025Wither is so funny. He sees all the problems that destructive, regressive, and reactionary policies do to a city designed to be efficient and forward moving and then in all of his endless wisdom, he thinks more destructive, regressive, and reactionary policies will make it better.
I may have disagreements with Baltimore Jack but at least BJ isn't this out of touch.
Here’s the deal: you can blather on this site all you want. It doesn’t change the fact that people’s eyes tell a story. I just told you what I saw, nothing more, nothing less. And this is around the campus, in the middle of it! That’s all.
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Wouldn't a vote for the incumbent be a vote to "keep things how they are"?Auggie wrote: ↑Feb 17, 2025And then you go and vote to keep things how they are- or make them even worse. "That's all!"whitherSTL wrote: ↑Feb 17, 2025Auggie wrote: ↑Feb 17, 2025Wither is so funny. He sees all the problems that destructive, regressive, and reactionary policies do to a city designed to be efficient and forward moving and then in all of his endless wisdom, he thinks more destructive, regressive, and reactionary policies will make it better.
I may have disagreements with Baltimore Jack but at least BJ isn't this out of touch.
Here’s the deal: you can blather on this site all you want. It doesn’t change the fact that people’s eyes tell a story. I just told you what I saw, nothing more, nothing less. And this is around the campus, in the middle of it! That’s all.
My vote for the challenger is based on my belief that we can do better than that.
And booting the cars of the nimrods who act a fool on our residential streets is one way we can do better. I'm flabbergasted that people on here think we can *only* build more pedestrian oriented infrastructure and that holding accountable those who would blow through such infrastructure is a bridge too far.
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I wish an administration could begin treating driving as the privilege that it is. A privilege that requires active liability insurance, up to date tags, and a clear driving record. It's completely a safety thing. Perhaps this isn't even a city level issue, maybe even a state issue.
The correlation to long expired or counterfeit temp tags and dangerous driving is pretty strong IMO. These drivers are also much more likely to flee the scene of the accident.
Give a years notice for people to get their sh1t together, but after that if you drive a car with tags expired 1+ years it gets impounded. Don't make it a criminal thing, just take the car. If people can't afford to keep up with car ownership, offer programs that can help, or they just need to reorient their lives towards transit/biking/walking. We live in a rare city where the car free lifestyle is actually possible, the more people doing it would make it better.
The correlation to long expired or counterfeit temp tags and dangerous driving is pretty strong IMO. These drivers are also much more likely to flee the scene of the accident.
Give a years notice for people to get their sh1t together, but after that if you drive a car with tags expired 1+ years it gets impounded. Don't make it a criminal thing, just take the car. If people can't afford to keep up with car ownership, offer programs that can help, or they just need to reorient their lives towards transit/biking/walking. We live in a rare city where the car free lifestyle is actually possible, the more people doing it would make it better.
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^ peoples lack of understanding of how anything at the city functions is really something. Cara, should she win has no say if cars a booted, that is a function of a county level office of the Treasurer, Adam Layne will not change the booting policy.
Cara also cannot make the city hire more trash truck drivers, that’s on the dept of personnel and it’s not like they haven’t been trying.
We have a weak Mayor system. The mayor can appoint her cabinet and vote on E&A. Even her Director level appointees cannot do anything to commissioners at those depts.
Even the budget is controlled by Paul Payne the budget director, the mayor has to go to him and make a case to increase and decrease and he can say no.
Cara also cannot make the city hire more trash truck drivers, that’s on the dept of personnel and it’s not like they haven’t been trying.
We have a weak Mayor system. The mayor can appoint her cabinet and vote on E&A. Even her Director level appointees cannot do anything to commissioners at those depts.
Even the budget is controlled by Paul Payne the budget director, the mayor has to go to him and make a case to increase and decrease and he can say no.
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You sound like someone who just wants a candidate that will stamp its feet about the things that frustrate you. Which is not a serious approach to being a democratic citizen.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Feb 17, 2025I want both. And I want a mayor to communicate that reckless driving is unacceptable and is a blight in our city.
That Tishaura is not seen as someone who cares about punishing those who make our streets more dangerous is no one's fault but her own.
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You and Denis are an "US" now. Cool.Auggie wrote: ↑Feb 16, 2025It's beyond funny how you keep trying to compare us to Trump when you can't even put together a comprehensive argument for why you think Spencer will be better than Jones.
And if Jones does lose, it will be for the sane reasons Harris lost: We live in a post-fact world. So the crime being down doesn't matter. The best GDP Growth in decades doesn't matter. Movement on major downtown vacancies doesn't matter. Development spur in North City doesn't matter. New 911 center doesn't matter. Massive road improvement projects don't matter. Just like how none of the good things Biden did mattered. All we heard about was inflation when inflation was 2.3%.
Tell me where I said I was voting for Spencer. I said the snowstorm response was Pathetic with a capital P. But you've lumped me in with other posters because my concerns are similar. Without safe streets, basic services provided in an effective manner and a vibrant downtown all other initiatives will be overlooked every single time.
Thank, DB, this is very helpful. Much of the argument on this board is completely unmoored from reality--the Mayor has very little power over anything meaningful.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Feb 17, 2025^ peoples lack of understanding of how anything at the city functions is really something. Cara, should she win has no say if cars a booted, that is a function of a county level office of the Treasurer, Adam Layne will not change the booting policy.
Cara also cannot make the city hire more trash truck drivers, that’s on the dept of personnel and it’s not like they haven’t been trying.
We have a weak Mayor system. The mayor can appoint her cabinet and vote on E&A. Even her Director level appointees cannot do anything to commissioners at those depts.
Even the budget is controlled by Paul Payne the budget director, the mayor has to go to him and make a case to increase and decrease and he can say no.
St. Louis needs major Charter reforms, something that hasn't happened arguably since the Raymond Tucker administration 70 years ago. I think the BEA should stay, but we need to get rid of the commissioner positions, create a City Manager position to run the day-to-day in those departments, and bring the County offices under an expanded Mayor/County executive position. Ideally the school district would also be brought under Mayor/BOA control, but I'm certain that would require MO's permission, a near impossibility.
I don't understand what you don't understand about the mayor and city not having the job of criminal prosecution or corrections.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Feb 17, 2025Wouldn't a vote for the incumbent be a vote to "keep things how they are"?Auggie wrote: ↑Feb 17, 2025And then you go and vote to keep things how they are- or make them even worse. "That's all!"whitherSTL wrote: ↑Feb 17, 2025
Here’s the deal: you can blather on this site all you want. It doesn’t change the fact that people’s eyes tell a story. I just told you what I saw, nothing more, nothing less. And this is around the campus, in the middle of it! That’s all.
My vote for the challenger is based on my belief that we can do better than that.
And booting the cars of the nimrods who act a fool on our residential streets is one way we can do better. I'm flabbergasted that people on here think we can *only* build more pedestrian oriented infrastructure and that holding accountable those who would blow through such infrastructure is a bridge too far.
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Reckless drivers aren't a pet preve. They're a danger to citizens. And impounding their vehicles is a bit more than just stomping ones feet. It's taking a danger off the road.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Feb 17, 2025You sound like someone who just wants a candidate that will stamp its feet about the things that frustrate you. Which is not a serious approach to being a democratic citizen.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Feb 17, 2025I want both. And I want a mayor to communicate that reckless driving is unacceptable and is a blight in our city.
That Tishaura is not seen as someone who cares about punishing those who make our streets more dangerous is no one's fault but her own.
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I’m not against a city manager position but adding it without a whole sale charter change doesn’t do much. We have a director of operations right now that basically acts as a city managerSB in BH wrote: ↑Feb 17, 2025Thank, DB, this is very helpful. Much of the argument on this board is completely unmoored from reality--the Mayor has very little power over anything meaningful.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Feb 17, 2025^ peoples lack of understanding of how anything at the city functions is really something. Cara, should she win has no say if cars a booted, that is a function of a county level office of the Treasurer, Adam Layne will not change the booting policy.
Cara also cannot make the city hire more trash truck drivers, that’s on the dept of personnel and it’s not like they haven’t been trying.
We have a weak Mayor system. The mayor can appoint her cabinet and vote on E&A. Even her Director level appointees cannot do anything to commissioners at those depts.
Even the budget is controlled by Paul Payne the budget director, the mayor has to go to him and make a case to increase and decrease and he can say no.
St. Louis needs major Charter reforms, something that hasn't happened arguably since the Raymond Tucker administration 70 years ago. I think the BEA should stay, but we need to get rid of the commissioner positions, create a City Manager position to run the day-to-day in those departments, and bring the County offices under an expanded Mayor/County executive position. Ideally the school district would also be brought under Mayor/BOA control, but I'm certain that would require MO's permission, a near impossibility.