How do you suggest we fund this BRT?verdantruins wrote: ↑Feb 14, 2025Gotta say, if I were mayor I would be planning for more robust BRT at the expense of a compromised green line. Stops have already been cut. How do think this is really gonna play out? Hard to beleive there wont be more value engineering as the plan moves forward, that is of course if the feds don't just say no.
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With the same federal funds that would go toward light rail. And with that amount of money I would triple the coverage of the LRT, expand it to more advantageous corridors like gravois/tucker/ N Florissant, and still have money to spend on better stations than we're likely to get on the Green Line, and we've have it all much sooner. But, what your talking about is the local contribution which is not nothing. Though, I gotta wonder how much of that has already been spent on planning/designing an LRT line that still might not happen if we don't get the funding for it.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Feb 14, 2025How do you suggest we fund this BRT?verdantruins wrote: ↑Feb 14, 2025Gotta say, if I were mayor I would be planning for more robust BRT at the expense of a compromised green line. Stops have already been cut. How do think this is really gonna play out? Hard to beleive there wont be more value engineering as the plan moves forward, that is of course if the feds don't just say no.
I'm certainly not against the Green Line, but it just doesn't seem like the safest ask, nor the most bang for our buck. I hope to be proven wrong, but boy will I have to wait a long time for that.
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Let's start another 15 years of study and figure out which route we want to build.
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^Haha, yea it’s time to build. Stations can be added later. Advantageous extensions/branches can come off the spine. There’s real need to get a start on this thing. We need shovels in the ground - not another start over from phase I like we’ve done since the 1999 plan. We’ve made it this far. Stay the course, and see what we can get. The money is apportioned for these projects. If it stalls, guess what, we will be ready when it comes.
And no mayor of StL should be talking about thrashing all the work that’s been done and talking about the cost of an uber. That’s backwards thinking
I’m okay talking about ways to use the money coming in while we wait for word on where things are going, setting ourselves up for success with the line with better bussing connections, etc
Spencer’s take here is not productive though. And I thought she was one of the leaders on the TOD zoning efforts for the line so I’m confused.
We need a mayor all in - because that will matter
And no mayor of StL should be talking about thrashing all the work that’s been done and talking about the cost of an uber. That’s backwards thinking
I’m okay talking about ways to use the money coming in while we wait for word on where things are going, setting ourselves up for success with the line with better bussing connections, etc
Spencer’s take here is not productive though. And I thought she was one of the leaders on the TOD zoning efforts for the line so I’m confused.
We need a mayor all in - because that will matter
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It cannot be same federal funds. It’s a different pot. And the local match couldn’t come from the sales tax for north south because the ballot language explicitly said it will be used for north south light rail, we have raised over $100,000,000 since it passed and spent a lot of it tooverdantruins wrote: ↑Feb 14, 2025With the same federal funds that would go toward light rail. And with that amount of money I would triple the coverage of the LRT, expand it to more advantageous corridors like gravois/tucker/ N Florissant, and still have money to spend on better stations than we're likely to get on the Green Line, and we've have it all much sooner. But, what your talking about is the local contribution which is not nothing. Though, I gotta wonder how much of that has already been spent on planning/designing an LRT line that still might not happen if we don't get the funding for it.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Feb 14, 2025How do you suggest we fund this BRT?verdantruins wrote: ↑Feb 14, 2025Gotta say, if I were mayor I would be planning for more robust BRT at the expense of a compromised green line. Stops have already been cut. How do think this is really gonna play out? Hard to beleive there wont be more value engineering as the plan moves forward, that is of course if the feds don't just say no.
I'm certainly not against the Green Line, but it just doesn't seem like the safest ask, nor the most bang for our buck. I hope to be proven wrong, but boy will I have to wait a long time for that.
I wonder if the money could be used for a modern streetcar like KC has on the same route. It would be sad to see the Green Line get this far because for one insane administration that will definitely not be in the White House in 4 years. I don't think we should go the BRT route, it's usually watered down and doesn't attract the same level of investment as LRT.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Feb 14, 2025It cannot be same federal funds. It’s a different pot. And the local match couldn’t come from the sales tax for north south because the ballot language explicitly said it will be used for north south light rail, we have raised over $100,000,000 since it passed and spent a lot of it tooverdantruins wrote: ↑Feb 14, 2025With the same federal funds that would go toward light rail. And with that amount of money I would triple the coverage of the LRT, expand it to more advantageous corridors like gravois/tucker/ N Florissant, and still have money to spend on better stations than we're likely to get on the Green Line, and we've have it all much sooner. But, what your talking about is the local contribution which is not nothing. Though, I gotta wonder how much of that has already been spent on planning/designing an LRT line that still might not happen if we don't get the funding for it.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Feb 14, 2025How do you suggest we fund this BRT?
I'm certainly not against the Green Line, but it just doesn't seem like the safest ask, nor the most bang for our buck. I hope to be proven wrong, but boy will I have to wait a long time for that.
I've known Cara changed her position on Metrolink for the past couple of years. She is definitely not going to be progressive on urban policy issues like Jones. It will definitely be another Slay/Krewson style of government. Meaning 4 more years of stagnation and old guard politics.
Pretty sure the Green Line was more or less supposed to be like that except it would get it's own lane.goat314 wrote: ↑Feb 14, 2025I wonder if the money could be used for a modern streetcar like KC has on the same route. It would be sad to see the Green Line get this far because for one insane administration that will definitely not be in the White House in 4 years. I don't think we should go the BRT route, it's usually watered down and doesn't attract the same level of investment as LRT.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Feb 14, 2025It cannot be same federal funds. It’s a different pot. And the local match couldn’t come from the sales tax for north south because the ballot language explicitly said it will be used for north south light rail, we have raised over $100,000,000 since it passed and spent a lot of it tooverdantruins wrote: ↑Feb 14, 2025With the same federal funds that would go toward light rail. And with that amount of money I would triple the coverage of the LRT, expand it to more advantageous corridors like gravois/tucker/ N Florissant, and still have money to spend on better stations than we're likely to get on the Green Line, and we've have it all much sooner. But, what your talking about is the local contribution which is not nothing. Though, I gotta wonder how much of that has already been spent on planning/designing an LRT line that still might not happen if we don't get the funding for it.
I'm certainly not against the Green Line, but it just doesn't seem like the safest ask, nor the most bang for our buck. I hope to be proven wrong, but boy will I have to wait a long time for that.
I have to wonder just how much of the cost for the Green Line is actually just the cost of redoing the car infrastructure to incorporate the LRT.
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Switching gears, does anyone have any predictions on the Comptroller race? Barringer seems to be running a serious campaign, but I'm not sure how close things may get for what pretty much have been uncontested elections for Green these past couple decades.
(I didn't see a larger city election thread and not sure it makes sense to have one just for Comptroller.)
(I didn't see a larger city election thread and not sure it makes sense to have one just for Comptroller.)
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It's telling to me that Dan Guenther is now supporting Spencer.
In his years as Alderman it's hard to think of anyone who was less "car brained" on the Board.
In his years as Alderman it's hard to think of anyone who was less "car brained" on the Board.
Does Jones still support pushing forward?dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Feb 14, 2025How do you suggest we fund this BRT?verdantruins wrote: ↑Feb 14, 2025Gotta say, if I were mayor I would be planning for more robust BRT at the expense of a compromised green line. Stops have already been cut. How do think this is really gonna play out? Hard to beleive there wont be more value engineering as the plan moves forward, that is of course if the feds don't just say no.
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Isn’t Dan her paid legislative aide?Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Feb 15, 2025It's telling to me that Dan Guenther is now supporting Spencer.
In his years as Alderman it's hard to think of anyone who was less "car brained" on the Board.
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^yeah but I doubt he chose to take a job with someone he is politically opposed to.
He supported Tishaura 4 years ago I believe.
He supported Tishaura 4 years ago I believe.
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You are aware that politically they’re all in the same boat. Nothing about this campaign is about their politics.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Feb 15, 2025^yeah but I doubt he chose to take a job with someone he is politically opposed to.
He supported Tishaura 4 years ago I believe.
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^So everyone who supports Jones has the best of intentions for the future of our city but if they support Spencer they being paid off and/or vapid .
Got it.
Got it.
Spencer being skeptical of the viability of the Green Line is actually a good sign to me as the viability of the project is very much in doubt! If someone wants to accuse me of being car brained, well, I have never even had a driver's license.
Barringer has tons of signs in SW city.STLrainbow wrote: ↑Feb 15, 2025Switching gears, does anyone have any predictions on the Comptroller race? Barringer seems to be running a serious campaign, but I'm not sure how close things may get for what pretty much have been uncontested elections for Green these past couple decades.
(I didn't see a larger city election thread and not sure it makes sense to have one just for Comptroller.)
Yeah I like Donna personally but I am not sure what the "issues" of the campaign really are. As far as I have read over the years Green has been a fairly competent Comptroller and she has taken a stand at times to stop other members of the Board of Estimate from looting the public purse.
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^ the biggest obstacle to getting projects done on time is her office. Nothing can move forward unit her office signs off and opens the account for that project
Ebsy wrote: ↑Feb 15, 2025Spencer being skeptical of the viability of the Green Line is actually a good sign to me as the viability of the project is very much in doubt! If someone wants to accuse me of being car brained, well, I have never even had a driver's license.
Skepticism is appropriate. I certainly think about the opportunity cost of it. I've lamented the capacity being put into it while our bus system wins.
Parroting Fox News talking points is something else. I mean for the price of the Green line we could just give everyone cars!
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I don't know much about Baringer. I did get a mailer for her today that has a photo of someone pushing a car in the snow with the headline "St. Louis Is Stuck".
So let the comments about "car brains" and "who cares about snow removal" commence.
So let the comments about "car brains" and "who cares about snow removal" commence.
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Big D, you’re better than these Trump tactics. They work, it’s been proven. But really?dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Feb 15, 2025You seem unhinged.
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Both major mayoral candidate's websites are pretty general overall so I feel like you have to Google the candidate's name and an issue to find out how much of a deep dive they've done on these issues.
When I Googled "Tishaura Jones pedestrian" it brought up more generalized info from her campaign site. When I Googled "Cara Spencer pedestrian" I found actual proposals to penalize those who jeopardize the safety of pedestrians and cyclists such as impounding vehicles driving recklessly.
Pedestrian deaths are up nationwide and in Missouri so while I don't blame Jones for the sharp rise of pedestrian deaths in STL over the last couple of years I want to see more specific action taken to address it.
When I Googled "Tishaura Jones pedestrian" it brought up more generalized info from her campaign site. When I Googled "Cara Spencer pedestrian" I found actual proposals to penalize those who jeopardize the safety of pedestrians and cyclists such as impounding vehicles driving recklessly.
Pedestrian deaths are up nationwide and in Missouri so while I don't blame Jones for the sharp rise of pedestrian deaths in STL over the last couple of years I want to see more specific action taken to address it.
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2021-2024
Pedestrian/cyclist fatalities: 70
total roadway fatalities: 250
2017-2020
pedestrian/cyclist fatalities: 65
total roadway fatalities: 250
I think the advantage the incumbent has is that you can see the all the protected bike lanes and pedestrian safety projects being built.
Pedestrian/cyclist fatalities: 70
total roadway fatalities: 250
2017-2020
pedestrian/cyclist fatalities: 65
total roadway fatalities: 250
I think the advantage the incumbent has is that you can see the all the protected bike lanes and pedestrian safety projects being built.