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quincunx wrote: ↑

Feb 12, 2025

Cut immigration -> SLU budget deficit -> layoffs
Great for our local economy and population stats 
Foreign students are a boon to our economy. We paid nothing to raise them, and they bring money from outside and spend it here.

Nobody is trying to stop legal immigration and these students are not immigrants anyway and would be here on a student visa. 
Isn't it mostly Chinese students at SLU and China threatens to stop its student from enrolling in the US if we do anything to counteract trade imbalance? Something needs to change with our universities. How much is SLU tuition now per year? 50k? It's ridiculous. 

flipz wrote: ↑

Feb 13, 2025

quincunx wrote: ↑

Feb 12, 2025

Cut immigration -> SLU budget deficit -> layoffs
Great for our local economy and population stats 
Foreign students are a boon to our economy. We paid nothing to raise them, and they bring money from outside and spend it here.

Nobody is trying to stop legal immigration and these students are not immigrants anyway and would be here on a student visa. 
Isn't it mostly Chinese students at SLU and China threatens to stop its student from enrolling in the US if we do anything to counteract trade imbalance? Something needs to change with our universities. How much is SLU tuition now per year? 50k? It's ridiculous. 

No one is trying to stop it ? Didn't you see the news about some MAGA people going after Musk for supporting work visas? Long delays to process those legal immigrant visas or green cards is also a way to discourage it.

flipz wrote: ↑

Feb 13, 2025

quincunx wrote: ↑

Feb 12, 2025

Cut immigration -> SLU budget deficit -> layoffs
Great for our local economy and population stats 
Foreign students are a boon to our economy. We paid nothing to raise them, and they bring money from outside and spend it here.

Nobody is trying to stop legal immigration and these students are not immigrants anyway and would be here on a student visa. 
Isn't it mostly Chinese students at SLU and China threatens to stop its student from enrolling in the US if we do anything to counteract trade imbalance? Something needs to change with our universities. How much is SLU tuition now per year? 50k? It's ridiculous. 

The global graduate initiatives program was mainly students from India.  

I hope the foreign students become immigrants. Many do. And there is certainly effort to block foreign students. The theory is they take spots from Americans. We see that Americans didn't fill the spaces at SLU. Instead a budget deficit and layoffs. The foreign students usually pay full freight, again great for our economy. Great for providing financial assistance to Americans.

Without an influx of foreign students many universities will simply collapse, particularly now that we are approaching the demographic cliff. The past couple years we have seen a bump of enrollments from a bump in the 18 year ago birthrate, but moving forward there are simply much fewer American kids in the pipeline.

Rick Prieto wrote: ↑

Feb 13, 2025

flipz wrote: ↑

Feb 13, 2025

quincunx wrote: ↑

Feb 12, 2025

Cut immigration -> SLU budget deficit -> layoffs
Great for our local economy and population stats 
Foreign students are a boon to our economy. We paid nothing to raise them, and they bring money from outside and spend it here.

Nobody is trying to stop legal immigration and these students are not immigrants anyway and would be here on a student visa. 
Isn't it mostly Chinese students at SLU and China threatens to stop its student from enrolling in the US if we do anything to counteract trade imbalance? Something needs to change with our universities. How much is SLU tuition now per year? 50k? It's ridiculous. 

No one is trying to stop it ? Didn't you see the news about some MAGA people going after Musk for supporting work visas? Long delays to process those legal immigrant visas or green cards is also a way to discourage it.

Those aren't immigrants either but people that are allowed to work here. Some people on the internet were mad and saying that lower paid people were brought in to do the work of Americans, or at least that is what I saw. Musk and other tech people are calling for the best and brightest but are these large companies trying to just cut costs by brining in cheaper labor? I think that is understandable and a fair question. I think probably both happen. 
It's unfortunate that SLU is betting everything on international students but it is a risk that they took. Those numbers will vary year to year. They need to assess their finances. Just looked it up and it's 27k per semester and according to their website average total cost of 70k per year including living expenses. The student loan system has driven prices so high that it is at the brink and will fail eventually. 

I'm sure all the research universities are rethinking their finances. And companies that use imported goods, components, and raw materials too.

flipz wrote: ↑

Feb 13, 2025

Rick Prieto wrote: ↑

Feb 13, 2025

flipz wrote: ↑

Feb 13, 2025

Nobody is trying to stop legal immigration and these students are not immigrants anyway and would be here on a student visa. 
Isn't it mostly Chinese students at SLU and China threatens to stop its student from enrolling in the US if we do anything to counteract trade imbalance? Something needs to change with our universities. How much is SLU tuition now per year? 50k? It's ridiculous. 

No one is trying to stop it ? Didn't you see the news about some MAGA people going after Musk for supporting work visas? Long delays to process those legal immigrant visas or green cards is also a way to discourage it.

Those aren't immigrants either but people that are allowed to work here. Some people on the internet were mad and saying that lower paid people were brought in to do the work of Americans, or at least that is what I saw. Musk and other tech people are calling for the best and brightest but are these large companies trying to just cut costs by brining in cheaper labor? I think that is understandable and a fair question. I think probably both happen. 
It's unfortunate that SLU is betting everything on international students but it is a risk that they took. Those numbers will vary year to year. They need to assess their finances. Just looked it up and it's 27k per semester and according to their website average total cost of 70k per year including living expenses. The student loan system has driven prices so high that it is at the brink and will fail eventually. 

I have a friend who attends SLU for $10k/year because the only people who pay full price are international students, of which the US has slashed the number of available student visas by nealy 40%.

Auggie wrote: ↑

Feb 13, 2025

flipz wrote: ↑

Feb 13, 2025

Rick Prieto wrote: ↑

Feb 13, 2025

No one is trying to stop it ? Didn't you see the news about some MAGA people going after Musk for supporting work visas? Long delays to process those legal immigrant visas or green cards is also a way to discourage it.

Those aren't immigrants either but people that are allowed to work here. Some people on the internet were mad and saying that lower paid people were brought in to do the work of Americans, or at least that is what I saw. Musk and other tech people are calling for the best and brightest but are these large companies trying to just cut costs by brining in cheaper labor? I think that is understandable and a fair question. I think probably both happen. 
It's unfortunate that SLU is betting everything on international students but it is a risk that they took. Those numbers will vary year to year. They need to assess their finances. Just looked it up and it's 27k per semester and according to their website average total cost of 70k per year including living expenses. The student loan system has driven prices so high that it is at the brink and will fail eventually. 

I have a friend who attends SLU for $10k/year because the only people who pay full price are international students, of which the US has slashed the number of available student visas by nealy 40%.

And I'm sure there are some that got a full ride but that isn't the case for most.

flipz wrote: ↑

Feb 13, 2025

Auggie wrote: ↑

Feb 13, 2025

flipz wrote: ↑

Feb 13, 2025

Those aren't immigrants either but people that are allowed to work here. Some people on the internet were mad and saying that lower paid people were brought in to do the work of Americans, or at least that is what I saw. Musk and other tech people are calling for the best and brightest but are these large companies trying to just cut costs by brining in cheaper labor? I think that is understandable and a fair question. I think probably both happen. 
It's unfortunate that SLU is betting everything on international students but it is a risk that they took. Those numbers will vary year to year. They need to assess their finances. Just looked it up and it's 27k per semester and according to their website average total cost of 70k per year including living expenses. The student loan system has driven prices so high that it is at the brink and will fail eventually. 

I have a friend who attends SLU for $10k/year because the only people who pay full price are international students, of which the US has slashed the number of available student visas by nealy 40%.

And I'm sure there are some that got a full ride but that isn't the case for most.

My friend didn't get a full ride. He's lower middle class and applied for aid. SLU prides itself on allowing in any student who deserves to attend, regardless of their financial ability. Extremely few domestic students pay anywhere near full price to attend SLU.

flipz wrote: ↑

Feb 13, 2025

quincunx wrote: ↑

Feb 13, 2025

I'm sure all the research universities are rethinking their finances. And companies that use imported goods, components, and raw materials too.

As they should. I think some other countries have companies partner with research institutions. That only works if there is monetary value in the research though.  I think there should be research funding but also think that the feds should have a balanced budget. 

A balanced budget used to be my number one issue. in the 90s two income tax increases, a congress that kept spending increases low, and a Y2K/tech boom got us there. The last 25 years no matter who was in the White House or in charge of congress, the debt ballooned. Clearly no one in power cares, they just like to spend on different things. So I've cared less about it and more about other things. 

Auggie wrote: ↑

Feb 13, 2025

flipz wrote: ↑

Feb 13, 2025

Auggie wrote: ↑

Feb 13, 2025

I have a friend who attends SLU for $10k/year because the only people who pay full price are international students, of which the US has slashed the number of available student visas by nealy 40%.

And I'm sure there are some that got a full ride but that isn't the case for most.

My friend didn't get a full ride. He's lower middle class and applied for aid. SLU prides itself on allowing in any student who deserves to attend, regardless of their financial ability. Extremely few domestic students pay anywhere near full price to attend SLU.

I didn't say that he did. I said I'm sure some people get full rides too but that doesn't mean that most people are paying 1/4 or 1/5 of the listed tuition. 

Any student who deserves to attend? Deserves? Where are you pulling this from? I know it is a Jesuit institution and what that entails but they raise their prices yearly and if it nobody was paying full price then why would they set it so high? I would need to see a budget breakdown to believe that most of their money comes from international students. I'm not even trying to pick specifically on SLU here because I think what they are doing is reflective of the whole higher education system.  I think SLU is generally a benefit for STL minus some land banking and notable tear downs that I don't agree with.

flipz wrote: ↑

Feb 14, 2025

Auggie wrote: ↑

Feb 13, 2025

flipz wrote: ↑

Feb 13, 2025

And I'm sure there are some that got a full ride but that isn't the case for most.

My friend didn't get a full ride. He's lower middle class and applied for aid. SLU prides itself on allowing in any student who deserves to attend, regardless of their financial ability. Extremely few domestic students pay anywhere near full price to attend SLU.

I didn't say that he did. I said I'm sure some people get full rides too but that doesn't mean that most people are paying 1/4 or 1/5 of the listed tuition. 

Any student who deserves to attend? Deserves? Where are you pulling this from? I know it is a Jesuit institution and what that entails but they raise their prices yearly and if it nobody was paying full price then why would they set it so high? I would need to see a budget breakdown to believe that most of their money comes from international students. I'm not even trying to pick specifically on SLU here because I think what they are doing is reflective of the whole higher education system.  I think SLU is generally a benefit for STL minus some land banking and notable tear downs that I don't agree with.

SLU says that if you are smart enough to make it there, they will provide you the necessary aid to attend. I don't think it's reflective of the entire upper education system, but I'm only talking about SLU.

My family would be either upper-middle or lower-upper class, and when I applied there some years ago, they offered me an aid package that would cover about 55% of the cost to attend just right off the bat. Actually, Xavier offered me a package that would cover about 60%. So maybe it is a Jesuit thing. Regardless, I can gurnatee you that the vast majority of domestic students are paying nowhere near full tuition.

Their entire budget shortfall that was widely reported (some $20M I believe) was because they had a massive unexpected decline in international students, international students who pay damn near full tuition on average.

On the March 26 Board of Adjustment agenda.

and was there not some plan for this lot?

Well rumors, yes, but also a $25 million building permit application, renders, and a hearing before the Board of Adjustment a few months ago (which passed). That "park" has been a thing for a few years now, and there is an organization that maintains it: https://www.pocketparksstl.com/2-acre-park
I don't think it's fair to call this project "stalled" yet.

Was not expecting this! Cortex selling the 3901 Forest Park Ave site, for the world to see with this listing on Trulia: https://www.trulia.com/home/3901-forest ... -458460101

I think this is good. Cortex land banked too much, this site and that one on Laclede should be redeveloped by someone else.