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MoDOT's crime delivery system strikes again, smh.

StlMag - Vandals with spray paint target National Museum of Transportation

https://www.stlmag.com/news/vandals-spr ... transport/

Can’t find it now but there is a great article about how nobody does more damage to transit and alternative modes advocacy than people like you.

^ LOL. gimme a break, DB. i look forward to you sharing this probably totally evidence-based article that's probably totally not just some guy's opinion.

absolutely no problem with sarcastically calling out an institution that has perpetuated car-only everything for the past 70 years. they deserve to know they've done a sh*t job.

quincunx, i appreciate your wry advocacy.

The pieces at the museum that were damaged were trolley’s though. Public transportation.

And also, it’s just a museum. It’s not hurting anyone.


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Final 2024 Violent Crime data is in and now we can close out the books on 2024. the 4016 is the lowest in raw total since at least 1970 and per capita (100,000 residents) the 1409 is also either the lowest since 1970 or close to it but definitely lowest since the 1980s

Up front I believe the data, and it is great news.  I have shared this news in personal conversations and the response is 'they are not reporting everything'.  This of course, was also the response of those trying to move police control to the state.

Frustrating.

^Yea the “they don’t report everything” is the new talking point of conservatives and anti-city folk so they can say cities are crime riddled because of liberal govt. It’s became a valuable redundant conspiracy for people who have to be right that the “other” side is bad. I would love Jane Dueker to just stop.

If you look at the homicide map, it is really becoming concentrated in several blocks, especially in the southeast side and northeast side. And a few northside neighborhoods are really pretty clear. There are many neighborhoods across the city with 0. There is no reason we can’t hyper focus on these areas. I’ve noticed that more than anything since 2020 - we have crazy high homicide numbers for a small city and its even crazier when you see how localized it is.

A much better talking point would be whether is is our local approach producing these numbers or are we simply following national trends. Probably a little both as most cities are down but we have had a little more success in the last few years in decreases (albeit a super high number to start with).

The only result I have been unhappy with is downtown west. We have to control the traffic drive bys in the area. I think downtown/downtown west in general, just traffic enforcement would go a long way on cutting down on crime, homicides and the overall feel of safety a ton.

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑

Jan 25, 2025

^Yea the “they don’t report everything” is the new talking point of conservatives and anti-city folk so they can say cities are crime riddled because of liberal govt. It’s became a valuable redundant conspiracy for people who have to be right that the “other” side is bad. I would love Jane Dueker to just stop.

If you look at the homicide map, it is really becoming concentrated in several blocks, especially in the southeast side and northeast side. And a few northside neighborhoods are really pretty clear. There are many neighborhoods across the city with 0. There is no reason we can’t hyper focus on these areas. I’ve noticed that more than anything since 2020 - we have crazy high homicide numbers for a small city and its even crazier when you see how localized it is.

A much better talking point would be whether is is our local approach producing these numbers or are we simply following national trends. Probably a little both as most cities are down but we have had a little more success in the last few years in decreases (albeit a super high number to start with).

The only result I have been unhappy with is downtown west. We have to control the traffic drive bys in the area. I think downtown/downtown west in general, just traffic enforcement would go a long way on cutting down on crime, homicides and the overall feel of safety a ton.

It's actually not abnornal at all for homicides to be extremely isolated to certain neighborhoods. It's totally normal from a criminology perspective.

As for the "they don't report everything", it's one of those infamous half truths. Yes, lots of crime goes unreported, but if reported crime goes down, unreported crime also goes down. It's not like people are reporting at a lower rate.

And the idea that the police would be lying about crime data this day in age is actually laughable.

lying about data?
"Give me the facts and I will twist them to fit my argument"
Winston Churchill

Shocking. How was this chronic hot head not forbidden ato get behind the wheel and have a gun?

Also will Manchester's population be added to the denominator when figuring STL crime rates?

StlToday - Man recounts downtown St. Louis road rage beating. ‘This has to stop.’

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... 982f8.html

And in the end, all anyone will see is "downtown crime" and chalk it up to that.

we are at 8 homicides heading into the final 2 days, obviously wont hit the 17 we had last year nor the average of 15 for the 10 year. only thing left is to see if we will stay in single digits for first time since 2011.   
quirky thing is that we had none for like the first week nor last 10 days, all happened during the height of the storm 

I would have expected the opposite. Interesting

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Jan 29, 2025

we are at 8 homicides heading into the final 2 days, obviously wont hit the 17 we had last year nor the average of 15 for the 10 year. only thing left is to see if we will stay in single digits for first time since 2011.   
quirky thing is that we had none for like the first week nor last 10 days, all happened during the height of the storm 

Great to see!   Hope that trend continues but suspect a large part of the downtick has to due with January 2025 being super cold and snowy rather than any specific policing strategy.  The coldest/snowiest in many decades, correct? 
Can we compare/contrast Jan to KC's #s for instance? Imagine they are down big time too.

 I'm not making a joke but it's much harder to aim a gun and murder in such conditions.

KC is at 11 homicides as of today after being at 4 at this time last year.... they too get the same amount of snow.  6 of their 11 came before the storm 
and as i said above ALL of our 8 happened from the start of the storm to the 2 weeks following it 

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Jan 30, 2025

KC is at 11 homicides as of today after being at 4 at this time last year.... they too get the same amount of snow.  6 of their 11 came before the storm 
Tand as i said above ALL of our 8 happened from the start of the storm to the 2 weeks following it 

The weather has sucked all month until this week so I still mostly "credit" bad weather here.  The poor conditions of the of the city streets a major issue. No matter, great to see and hope it continues. 

Thanks for the KC stats.  State control must not work too well for local police departments. weird.

Hope about STL County stats? you got those too? another good comp!

Once again, all 8 homicides here happened when the weather was at its worst temperature and snow wise

dbInSouthCity wrote:Once again, all 8 homicides here happened when the weather was at its worst temperature and snow wise

That doesn’t mean that the weather and road/sidewalk conditions didn’t suppress other criminal activity, as it often does.

A great start to the year, nonetheless.

DB, there won’t be an improve in crime until the right person is mayor.

JaneJacobsGhost wrote:DB, there won’t be an improve in crime until the right person is mayor.

Is there even a single person on this forum who’s saying crime rates haven’t improved?

Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑

Jan 30, 2025

dbInSouthCity wrote:Once again, all 8 homicides here happened when the weather was at its worst temperature and snow wise

That doesn’t mean that the weather and road/sidewalk conditions didn’t suppress other criminal activity, as it often does.

A great start to the year, nonetheless.

this. 

people haven't been able to move around too easily.  

that's all I'm saying. 

Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑

Jan 30, 2025

dbInSouthCity wrote:Once again, all 8 homicides here happened when the weather was at its worst temperature and snow wise

That doesn’t mean that the weather and road/sidewalk conditions didn’t suppress other criminal activity, as it often does.

A great start to the year, nonetheless.

but we aren't talking about other criminal actively, for all we know it could be up. we'll find out Feb 4th 

Disappointing to hear the transition of our police to the state is making forward progress (per KTVI last night and this morning).  It seems like Police Chief Tracy stated in the past two years the department has met the goals of the state but they continue to move the line.  What are our options if we want to make our voice heard?  Our legislative representatives?

I hope State Control of the police in the City of St Louis doesn't go through, there has been progress. I think the people wanting state control need to explain why crime has been increasing in Kansas City with state control. Having said that, if it happens at least I would hope it would come with more funding for police that would allow officers in the city to have better pay which I would believe would help with retention and filling vacancies. If it's state control for the sake of having state control, I don't think it makes sense. I was supportive of state control when there was a push to defund the police.