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PostJan 03, 2025#9976

I can’t believe we are debating whether it was close enough to the Dome when it was across the street.

I think this is one of those instances where we would do well to step out of the bubble that is this forum and realize how silly of a criticism this is.


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PostJan 03, 2025#9977

I think this one of those instances where we should hold accountable, and expect integrity of, people who hold a public trust.

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PostJan 03, 2025#9978

The title is : “Woman shot, killed Sunday night near Dome at America's Center”

Look at the picture DB sent. It’s across the street. That’s pretty “near” to me. And consistent with how the media provides wayfinding for a crime downtown or anywhere else.


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PostJan 03, 2025#9979

The news article makes it appear that the distance from the Dome mattered in the incident when it didn't. It was a domestic dispute that happens everywhere from the worst to the best neighborhoods.

It would be one think if it was a tourist killed "just steps away" from the Dome, but it wasn't. It was someone killed by someone they intimately knew inside of their house which happened to be across the street from the Dome.

It's just a small piece of the puzzle that makes STL look way worse than it is.

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PostJan 03, 2025#9980

Auggie wrote:The news article makes it appear that the distance from the Dome mattered in the incident when it didn't. It was a domestic dispute that happens everywhere from the worst to the best neighborhoods.

It would be one think if it was a tourist killed "just steps away" from the Dome, but it wasn't. It was someone killed by someone they intimately knew inside of their house which happened to be across the street from the Dome.

It's just a small piece of the puzzle that makes STL look way worse than it is.
It matters to a lot of people when bullets fly and people get murdered and it’s near a major attraction where we expect people to congregate. If it doesn’t matter to you, that’s your prerogative.


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PostJan 03, 2025#9981

Once again, the shooting was inside a home and the only place bullets went is into this poor lady

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PostJan 03, 2025#9982

Debaliviere91 wrote:
Jan 03, 2025
Auggie wrote:The news article makes it appear that the distance from the Dome mattered in the incident when it didn't. It was a domestic dispute that happens everywhere from the worst to the best neighborhoods.

It would be one think if it was a tourist killed "just steps away" from the Dome, but it wasn't. It was someone killed by someone they intimately knew inside of their house which happened to be across the street from the Dome.

It's just a small piece of the puzzle that makes STL look way worse than it is.
It matters to a lot of people when bullets fly and people get murdered and it’s near a major attraction where we expect people to congregate. If it doesn’t matter to you, that’s your prerogative.


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It doesn't matter to me because it's a domestic dispute and it doesn't impact public safety so long as it is a domestic dispute. Nor should it matter to the media or the general public because- say it with me- it was a domestic dispute. Domestic disputes are not controllable. They can happen anywhere and at anytime, they have always happened and always will. It's not gang violence, it's not a speeding car, it's not a spree killer. If one happens across the street from the Dome, that's called luck of the draw. Literally nothing can be done to stop it short of tearing down the houses.

The media wants to spread fear, that's why the media acts like it's a big deal that it was "steps away from the Dome" when in actuality the Dome had nothing to do with it and was never unsafe.

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PostJan 03, 2025#9983

I see Your point.   I see Deb91's.  I think the issue at hand is that we want better of both our public safety and our news outlets.  

I think ABC 30 is the last news outlet hold out on north Tucker.  And they don't even have a local team so merely a tech station. 

"Broadcasting live from beautiful downtown St. Louis."
 Everyone station, when I was growing up.
 
So who made it ugly?  Hasn't changed that much...

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PostJan 04, 2025#9984

The funniest thing is that they all still use downtown STL images in their broadcasts and backgrounds. I guess a bleak parking lot in Maryland Heights doesn't make a great backdrop to your 6 PM news.

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PostJan 04, 2025#9985

True

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PostJan 06, 2025#9986

A breath of fresh air here in St. Louis
county.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... -top-story

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PostJan 06, 2025#9987

You’re from the County?

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PostJan 06, 2025#9988

Fresh air HA “Regardless of how much you clean things on the surface, if the air around you is stale, your mind will also feel this way.”

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PostJan 06, 2025#9989

One large Missouri city is approaching a week without a homicide. *St. Louis*

Another large Missouri city, with a state controlled police department, has had a homicide everyday since the year started.

What do you think legislators will focus on when they get started for the year?

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PostJan 06, 2025#9990

Every homicide here gets 2x the attention. So, us. One incident outside wheelhouse after midnight will get us a whole sessions worth about how “St. Louis is a cesspool of crime because of liberal politicians”.

PostJan 10, 2025#9991

Two homicides at 14th and Biddle, near McDonald’s north of downtown. This area has had a rough go since around November. Do people have thoughts on how to manage these issues? The development is so awful north of the Convention Center and around I-70. Are we just waiting on a silver bullet bottle district? There has to be a way to make our downtown fabric extend north. I am a big proponent of downtown but I don’t t know if a major city downtown in the country is more isolated and drops off as much as ours does to the north. I think it’s fair to have an honest assessment of how to responsibly redo the housing and the entire area. We have the worst “welcome to our city” right there I can imagine. McKee has only destroyed all of it more.

We got rid of the gas station. That hasn’t helped as much as I thought it would. There’s so many blocks of problem properties. I’m not sure what the next step is. Relocate the public housing? Peabody type redo? Pry properties from Northside and TIF the heck out of it again for private development?

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PostJan 10, 2025#9992

Close the macdonalds

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PostJan 10, 2025#9993

^^If you take Beale Street in Memphis east it gets pretty bleak a few blocks away from the touristy area. Quite a few empty lots. Kansas City just east of downtown and north of the 18th and Vine area along I-70 is a pretty stark drop off too. 

I get what you are saying though. 

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PostJan 11, 2025#9994

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote:
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We got rid of the gas station. That hasn’t helped as much as I thought it would. There’s so many blocks of problem properties. I’m not sure what the next step is. Relocate the public housing? Peabody type redo? Pry properties from Northside and TIF the heck out of it again for private development?
With limited funds and Preservation Square already in a a re-do-a-rama  (they're working on the phase fronting 14th St. now), I'm not sure really what options there are for public housing in the area. And I believe the public housing in Columbus Square is all rather new-ish. And there really isn't any Carr Square housing along Tucker or 14th; the area is mostly barren and the housing there is more to the west and walled off from downtown.

Anyway, it's infill that is most needed in the Tucker/14th Street area. For Downtown, replacing the mass of parking lots as best you can with midrise mixed-use, etc.  North of downtown, I think almost all the vacant land is owned by Northside Regen or tied to the Hubbard family. Anyway, for Carr Square, something resembling North Sarah mixed-income infill may be appropriate. (Saving/rehabbing old Carr School would be great, too, if possible.)  For Columbus Square, some denser mixed-use development by the bridge entrance and Bottleworks area would be nice. But at the end of the day it all mostly comes down to demand. 

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PostJan 15, 2025#9995

Stl PR - Overall crime in St. Louis is down 15%; officials credit technology and local initiatives

https://www.stlpr.org/law-order/2025-01 ... nitiatives

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PostJan 15, 2025#9996

Crime and homicides down. Shootings and injuries up.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... 20e9c.html

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PostJan 22, 2025#9997

Is the STL city  crime tracker site down? http://www.stlmpdcfs.com/
Have not been able to access it for numerous days.
Thank You

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PostJan 22, 2025#9998

chris fuller wrote:
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Is the STL city  crime tracker site down? http://www.stlmpdcfs.com/
Have not been able to access it for numerous days.
Thank You
I always thought that was a 3rd party website and not directly administered by the City.

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PostJan 23, 2025#10000

TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote:
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https://slmpd.org/calls/

New address. 
I always wish they had kept the log longer.  What gives?

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