I can’t believe we are debating whether it was close enough to the Dome when it was across the street.
I think this is one of those instances where we would do well to step out of the bubble that is this forum and realize how silly of a criticism this is.
The title is : “Woman shot, killed Sunday night near Dome at America's Center”
Look at the picture DB sent. It’s across the street. That’s pretty “near” to me. And consistent with how the media provides wayfinding for a crime downtown or anywhere else.
The news article makes it appear that the distance from the Dome mattered in the incident when it didn't. It was a domestic dispute that happens everywhere from the worst to the best neighborhoods.
It would be one think if it was a tourist killed "just steps away" from the Dome, but it wasn't. It was someone killed by someone they intimately knew inside of their house which happened to be across the street from the Dome.
It's just a small piece of the puzzle that makes STL look way worse than it is.
Auggie wrote:The news article makes it appear that the distance from the Dome mattered in the incident when it didn't. It was a domestic dispute that happens everywhere from the worst to the best neighborhoods.
It would be one think if it was a tourist killed "just steps away" from the Dome, but it wasn't. It was someone killed by someone they intimately knew inside of their house which happened to be across the street from the Dome.
It's just a small piece of the puzzle that makes STL look way worse than it is.
It matters to a lot of people when bullets fly and people get murdered and it’s near a major attraction where we expect people to congregate. If it doesn’t matter to you, that’s your prerogative.
Auggie wrote:The news article makes it appear that the distance from the Dome mattered in the incident when it didn't. It was a domestic dispute that happens everywhere from the worst to the best neighborhoods.
It would be one think if it was a tourist killed "just steps away" from the Dome, but it wasn't. It was someone killed by someone they intimately knew inside of their house which happened to be across the street from the Dome.
It's just a small piece of the puzzle that makes STL look way worse than it is.
It matters to a lot of people when bullets fly and people get murdered and it’s near a major attraction where we expect people to congregate. If it doesn’t matter to you, that’s your prerogative.
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It doesn't matter to me because it's a domestic dispute and it doesn't impact public safety so long as it is a domestic dispute. Nor should it matter to the media or the general public because- say it with me- it was a domestic dispute. Domestic disputes are not controllable. They can happen anywhere and at anytime, they have always happened and always will. It's not gang violence, it's not a speeding car, it's not a spree killer. If one happens across the street from the Dome, that's called luck of the draw. Literally nothing can be done to stop it short of tearing down the houses.
The media wants to spread fear, that's why the media acts like it's a big deal that it was "steps away from the Dome" when in actuality the Dome had nothing to do with it and was never unsafe.
The funniest thing is that they all still use downtown STL images in their broadcasts and backgrounds. I guess a bleak parking lot in Maryland Heights doesn't make a great backdrop to your 6 PM news.
Every homicide here gets 2x the attention. So, us. One incident outside wheelhouse after midnight will get us a whole sessions worth about how “St. Louis is a cesspool of crime because of liberal politicians”.
Two homicides at 14th and Biddle, near McDonald’s north of downtown. This area has had a rough go since around November. Do people have thoughts on how to manage these issues? The development is so awful north of the Convention Center and around I-70. Are we just waiting on a silver bullet bottle district? There has to be a way to make our downtown fabric extend north. I am a big proponent of downtown but I don’t t know if a major city downtown in the country is more isolated and drops off as much as ours does to the north. I think it’s fair to have an honest assessment of how to responsibly redo the housing and the entire area. We have the worst “welcome to our city” right there I can imagine. McKee has only destroyed all of it more.
We got rid of the gas station. That hasn’t helped as much as I thought it would. There’s so many blocks of problem properties. I’m not sure what the next step is. Relocate the public housing? Peabody type redo? Pry properties from Northside and TIF the heck out of it again for private development?
^^If you take Beale Street in Memphis east it gets pretty bleak a few blocks away from the touristy area. Quite a few empty lots. Kansas City just east of downtown and north of the 18th and Vine area along I-70 is a pretty stark drop off too.
We got rid of the gas station. That hasn’t helped as much as I thought it would. There’s so many blocks of problem properties. I’m not sure what the next step is. Relocate the public housing? Peabody type redo? Pry properties from Northside and TIF the heck out of it again for private development?
With limited funds and Preservation Square already in a a re-do-a-rama (they're working on the phase fronting 14th St. now), I'm not sure really what options there are for public housing in the area. And I believe the public housing in Columbus Square is all rather new-ish. And there really isn't any Carr Square housing along Tucker or 14th; the area is mostly barren and the housing there is more to the west and walled off from downtown.
Anyway, it's infill that is most needed in the Tucker/14th Street area. For Downtown, replacing the mass of parking lots as best you can with midrise mixed-use, etc. North of downtown, I think almost all the vacant land is owned by Northside Regen or tied to the Hubbard family. Anyway, for Carr Square, something resembling North Sarah mixed-income infill may be appropriate. (Saving/rehabbing old Carr School would be great, too, if possible.) For Columbus Square, some denser mixed-use development by the bridge entrance and Bottleworks area would be nice. But at the end of the day it all mostly comes down to demand.